The 2 handed issue (in General)
What i will propose in this thread may sound FORS but if you think about sound like a great idea.
In real combat you can't wield a 2 handed weapon with a shield. A big 2 handed sword back in the days weighs at least 20 kilos (44 lbs something). Giving the attacker major DEX and STR disadvantage.
Only thing that could be equipped is a very small shield strapped around the hand and only gives the minimal protection.
Make it impossible for 2 handed weapons to be equipped with a shield.
Only one handed weapons. Like the ELS, katana and BOT.
But when you ask about ranged weapons. It wasn't uncommon for crossbowmen and archers to wear a shield (mostly on there back or when shooting placed in front of the crossbowmen or archer).
So how Jon made the shield ranged weapon penalties is alright.
But my point is:
Giving the option for higher AC (making shields easier to be upgraded) or higher attacking power with a 2 handed weapon.
Any suggestions? remarks? flames? anything?
January 17 2005 9:11 AM EST
There's already a big DX penalty for 2-handed weapons.
As for your "realism" concerns, all those 40-lb Executioner's Swords and Two-Handed Flails are just like toothpicks to tanks with 100,000 strength. More realistic would be that 20 strength newbies couldn't even lift a sword ;)
January 17 2005 9:21 AM EST
In "real combat" you don't need to worry about getting fried by a magician and his magically created fireball.
It's fine the way it is as far as I'm concerned, and that's not because I'm using a 2-handed wep btw ;)
January 17 2005 9:51 AM EST
In real combat, it's still possible to _carry_ a 2 handed weapon and a very large shield. You won't be fighting very well, or, probably not be fighting at all, which I think is already represented by the penalty.
"In real combat you can't wield a 2 handed weapon with a shield. A big 2 handed sword back in the days weighs at least 20 kilos (44 lbs something)."
Sorry that's utterly wrong. A well made single handed sword could weigh around 2lbs, with the heaviest sword (Dammit, the name escapes me..) I've seen record of weighed up to 14lb.
But weight isn't the problem. Bucklers weren't strapped to the forearm, but held in the hand.
"But when you ask about ranged weapons. It wasn't uncommon for crossbowmen and archers to wear a shield (mostly on there back or when shooting placed in front of the crossbowmen or archer).
So how Jon made the shield ranged weapon penalties is alright."
Why can't someone using a 2 handed melee wepaon (like your ranged example above wear a shield on thier backs, or place one in front of them? If you dissallow shields for 2 handed melee users, you should also dissallow them for all ranged attackers.
Should shields be allowed with any 2 handed weapons? *Shrugs* Exactly how realistic do you want to get?
Imagine your beefy Exec using tank to hold his tower shield in front of him and hide being it during the ranged rounds, then sling it on his back to get stuck in with his 2 handed sword during melee...
January 17 2005 1:43 PM EST
What exactly *are* the penalties? Are they the same as CB1? Eve so, could anyone be so kind as to outline all the shield/ranged weapon/1/2h weapon penalties? Or at least direct me to where I can find them nicely laid out for me.
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