Too tired to care anymore (in General)

Mythology February 16 2005 7:02 PM EST

Ive fought for Valinor since the very begining on CB1, from clan rule changes, pointed out THREE TIMES how we werent cheating, how we werent a secret organisation established just to attack Di to all manner of things.

Now the one thing, the one place you could be comfortably silent, just relax and chat a leisure was suddenly attacked, many claims of going to the bathroom and coming back to find you'd been kicked out of the room and many things.

Now there is a simple, VERY simple point that has NEVER been pointed out to us : If our members are online in Valinor but AFK and there is someone online in the room, then WHY are they kicked? If there is no difference between being afk in Valinor as there is to being afk in carnage,
1) The number of rooms would be the same
2) The number of AFK users would be the same
I see NO difference. So with this information not being pointed out I told members of Valinor that if they were online when an op came in to kick out those of us afk then to kick them out before. This I may add is totally okay by the rules as I understand them, if this was not okay then maybe the first time it happened a chat mail should have been sent.

So we had a battle on our hands, it was fun, the ops enjoyed trying to catch us all afk and some of us enjoyed trying to keep the room alive.

Now the ops have been told to kill Valinorians from carnage and new players from now on.

But yes for my part and for those in Valinor who follow what I say, I'd declare the war over, well done chat ops you win, I'll give the word to no longer kick ops that enter Valinor room, theres no point anymore, Valinor is meant to be a sanctuary not an exile. I think this whole thing has gone from a game to being petty and rude. Just as a point for future reference, try talking to people once in a while, we're all just about human after all.

[Banned]Monty February 16 2005 7:06 PM EST


BrandonLP February 16 2005 7:07 PM EST

I won't kick anymore but only because you posted, Myth.

Chocolate Thunder February 16 2005 7:08 PM EST

I've only really ever kicked Todd anyway. But, I can still be a "Sneaky Little Brat" and smart off, right?

Fuhgawz February 16 2005 7:08 PM EST

Why a war on us ever began is way beyond me. And why i was kicked out of valinor repeatedly by a certain op is beyond me when he never asked if I was there. And to kick us or kill us from a room just because were affiliated with Valinor is redundant. Those of you who I have talked to knowI am a very reasonable person and thats just rediculas. I just dont think this war is far from over. Myth you know as well as the rest of us this was just one battle of many we will face and probably lose, but this war is far from over. Maybe in our eyes it is, but someone will nit pick at every little thing that we do...

BrandonLP February 16 2005 7:10 PM EST

Heh, well said, Fuh. I, on the other hand, am generally not so agreeable on the matter due to the way a lot of ops decided to handle themselves.

NotSuitablForChildren [Yeeeaahh.................] February 16 2005 7:11 PM EST

Let me get this straight. The ops have been /joining Valinor and kicking out afk people? If that is the case I agree whole heartedly that that is petty and rude. What is the point in being able to make another room if ops can just come in and close it at their discretion? In a room that is going to have FAR fewer members there is almost the nessecity of having afk people just to keep the room in existance. If there is some problem with having the room open (bandwidth or something (which I doubt)) I would say yes by all means, lets close an otherwise dead room. But by being a supporter, I feel you should be able to create a room and leave it open at your own discretion. Especially if it is as harmless as the Valinor room, which I can remember seeing since I started. /end rant :p

Mythology February 16 2005 7:19 PM EST

That is correct, we always liked to have a few afkers so that a "joker" couldnt create the room then just kick anyone who entered again, but I guess things changed.

Bmagnety February 16 2005 7:23 PM EST

whatever Im with STBDF

Perhaps a age requirement for ops would end the jealous childishness

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 16 2005 7:32 PM EST

A quote from the chatops forum thread regarding this:
"Just as an aside, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who kicks an op or admin out of a private room while that op or admin is performing an AFK check has bought themselves an insta-kill."
Which is all good and fair, don't you think? Ops doing their job getting /kicked for it, a simple carping or something wouldn't do the trick at keeping us out until the next time we check up on you?

Also, it does seem to me that there was no instruction to /kick you guys out of NP/Carnage. I've got no problem with the valinor room hanging around so I tend not to check up on you guys much if ever, although it is another room, and just like any other user created room it does have to stick to the same rules, and no we don't want a million afk rooms so we need to /kick people who're afking in a user created room.

NSFY February 16 2005 7:43 PM EST

You haven't responded to the crux of the issue - if there is even one person in room valinor that is not afk, why would you check every single other person and kick those that don't respond. That is just plain silly. You have that much time on your hands that you're going to take roll call in private rooms ?!?!

Lame^ nth

Mythology February 16 2005 7:49 PM EST

Chuckles, the first paragraph, it would also have been just as easy for the chat ops to post that they had decided a change in the rules rather than one night them suddenly start kicking us. I will remind you, its been six months and no one had been kicked out of Valinor only in jest by our own op members. But yes I agree that just carping the chat ops may have worked, often though if someone kicks you in the shin your natural reaction is to kick them back in the shin rather than erm, hitting them with a fish...

The only thing I'd say to stick up for us on that account is Chat ops are meant to be chosen members of the community who are above us, while we in Valinor are just game players.

As for your second paragraph, please read my initial post Ive tried to make it as clear as possible about the difference between Valinor room and a one person AFK room.

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 16 2005 8:00 PM EST

When someone is kicking you, yes you generally kick them back, although when it's someone of authority, it's generally not the smartest idea.

Also, I cannot see a single time when someone has said "If anyone is afk in Valinor, /kick them" it's always been "If the room is not 'alive', /kick them". If that hasn't been the case (which I doubt), then yeah, I agree, if 5 users are active and 1 is afk, that 1 shouldn't be /kicked.

Mythology February 16 2005 8:11 PM EST

Well Chuckles, I'll recount the exact happenings of the incident that made me annoyed enough to care at the start. A certain chat operative entered Valinor, I asked them to leave (because I didnt particulary like the person in the slightest for reasons I wont go into now) they said they were checking for afk people and that they would not leave. I then kicked them, at this point an argument over the rules began in PM and what really got to me was that I was told that I should show them some respect or "you show me respect!".

Anyway, as I said, Ive asked for an end to the hostilites rather than another drawn out argument.

Blarg February 16 2005 9:10 PM EST

Well, i'm a chat op, who never actually went into Valinor to do AFK checks. But it makes no sense to me to kick people who are AFK as long as someone is active. Its totally pointless. The op couldn't kick the non-AFK person(s) so why would they kick the ones that were?

DizzyGuy February 16 2005 10:09 PM EST

Why do you do AFK checks anyways? Whole thing seems silly and drawn out to me...

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 16 2005 10:18 PM EST

The last thread about that, Dizzy.

Undertow February 16 2005 10:19 PM EST

That's because it IS silly and drawn out. What's the point to making other rooms when you lose a huge ablilty, being able to go afk.

"Now, you can make a private room, but god will strike you down if you stray more than an arms length from the computer"

AdminJonathan February 16 2005 10:29 PM EST

What is so hard about exiting chat if you are going to be away?

The reason why it doesn't matter if there are other people in the room is that otherwise you would get whiny people (*cough* Valiwhaosfd *cough* got something in my throat there) crying that "well, there was someone still alive when I went afk so I figured it was all right" and making even more of a stink than they already are.

Get over yourselves already and just leave if you got the munchies that bad. It's all right to spend the 0.5s it will take to reconnect when you're back. Really. We'll wait right here.

[STG]Aaron February 16 2005 10:38 PM EST

This entire thing is stupid i think the Chat Ops have fun kicking people and using there power. Going into valinor is just an easy way to find someone to kick. On the reverse all the members of valinor have fun posting and complaing about how they got kicked. If I read the rule right it is "No setting up rooms for the purpose of going AFK." I hardly think that Valinor is set up just so all its members can go AFK but it may be. However if the chat ops are going to be power hungry then let them because they will just get more reward becuase you guys post to complain. Just my observations and i hold nothing against Chat ops or admins and respect most of you guys/girls (some i don't care for but hey i will keep those names to myself we can't get along with everybody no matter how hard we try). In closing i am glad to see that Myth was the bigger person and put a stop to something this petty

Tribute February 16 2005 11:04 PM EST

Who is the "a certain chat op"? Did you forget his/her name or are you being secretive. Oh, and it obviously isn't me.

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 16 2005 11:11 PM EST

Tribute, that is between him and the chat op. Stay out of it.

QBsutekh137 February 16 2005 11:43 PM EST

I have to confess -- I never understood the whole AFK thing:

-- If you are going AFK, I sure don't care, unless you are talking directly to me. Even then, I probably won't have a fit if you don't answer back. FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!!! TALK TO ME!!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!! SOMEONE CALL 911!!!!! Oh, there's my bourbon. Phew.
-- I discovered a magical link that seems to do the same thing as saying "Hey everyone, I'm really important and am afraid y'all will miss me,, hey, afk!" It is a little link in the left pane that says "Log Out".
-- At around the same time, I discovered a way to come back to the game in a timely fashion. I enter my e-mail address and password and click on "Submit". Yes, I know...I was skeptical as well. But after several months, I found I was not missing a SINGLE BA due to being away and having to re-login! Word to your mother!
-- Sometimes I really have a hankering for beef jerky. So I have some. Splendid.
-- Yes, I am basically saying the same thing as Jonathan, but two things should be known about me: 1. I worship Jon (really, I have a shrine). 2. Jon's point is well and good, I just wanted to add a bit of pinache to it. *smile*

BrandonLP February 17 2005 2:07 AM EST

While you make a point in telling us how easy it is to simply reconnect and not worry about it, you still have yet to give us an explanation as to why this is the rule. In fact, I posted about it in the last thread about it asking you for any explanation, even if it just consisted of "it's my game, therefore I can make any rule I want," yet you haven't said such Jon. Now, I'm not trying to stir up anymore crap that what has circulated lately, but just please give us a reason. We're reasonable people and generally don't have a problem following directions so long as they have a decent foundation.

Myonax February 17 2005 11:25 AM EST We Know Drama

Mythology February 17 2005 12:07 PM EST

Jon - If you read my post (doubtful) you'd have got the notion we were "over ourselves" and I was asking all members just to drop the issue.

Chet - To modify a Monty Burns quote, I'm no Comedy critic but I know whats not funny.

All members of Valinor - If you havent posted on here yet I've asked in chat a couple of times if you will post if you will comply and drop it.

Vagabond February 17 2005 12:39 PM EST

Well I'm not actually in chat that much and didn't realize this was such an issue. But ya, I have no problem treating someone with courtesy and respect as long as they do likewise.

/me agrees to play nice

QBsutekh137 February 17 2005 12:49 PM EST

And I know passive aggression when I see it, Myth. Thanks for playing. Nothing like calling off the dogs in public, whiny fashion, is there?

Too tired to care, but no too tired to keep posting. Interesting.

Oh, and I am all for chat mailing if you want to discuss this further in private.

Fuhgawz February 17 2005 2:08 PM EST

"Chet - do you always throw such a hissy fit when people say you're not funny?"

Mythology February 17 2005 2:10 PM EST

You tried to be funny, I said you werent, you got annoyed, not much more to discuss...

MoeDrippins February 17 2005 2:10 PM EST

" And I know passive aggression when I see it, Myth."

Is that because of your almost artlike expertise with it?

QBsutekh137 February 17 2005 2:15 PM EST

Comments being sent via private chat mail.

NSFY February 17 2005 3:50 PM EST

HA! With my 1337 h4x0ring skilZ I was able to crack into the PM system and this is what I found!!!

Chet: you sux0rz big dumb stupid heads valinorons
Myth: ohnoes! mah clanzor must be respexted !#@@
Myth: u better not be typing those words in are r00M!
Myth: ah will /kix u from here to teh furthest off dimensions!!
Chet: Ha! not after I c u FIRSTEST!
Chet: suX0rZ!
Myth: @#$##%
Pre-Pubescent Ferret: anyoneherenopeokbyeeee!
Chet and Myth have been kicked by Pre-Pubescent Ferret

QBsutekh137 February 17 2005 4:07 PM EST

Oh dear goodness, Soup. I needed that. Thanks. *smile*

BrandonLP February 17 2005 5:41 PM EST

"Nothing like calling off the dogs in public, whiny fashion, is there?"

Nothing like contributing a constructive response. I could take offense to being called a dog. You could simply say that I respect Myth as a person and will follow his logical wishes. But no, you'd rather make us out to be beasts that only answer to our headmaster.

Seriously, Chet, I don't know who put some sort of bodily substance in your breakfast, but chill out.

Mythology February 17 2005 5:48 PM EST

lol, nsfy that is the funniest thing ive read for weeks, you lost it at the end but very funny still

QBsutekh137 February 17 2005 6:23 PM EST

Brandon, Myth and I are just fine. Because he spoke to me and we worked it out. I am chilled, was never unchilled, and was merely trying to add some brevity with my original post. If you combine the vitriol of the posts that followed mine, I think you will find that it is not I that need to "chill".

"Calling off the dogs" is a figure of speech. Trying to say I was literally calling you a beast is a straw-man argument of epic proportions.

Chocolate Thunder February 17 2005 7:05 PM EST

If i changed my name to Pre-Pubescent Ferret, would I be accused of trying to pass myself off as an admin?

BrandonLP February 17 2005 10:02 PM EST

And yet in so many "intelligent" words, Chet, you attempt to wow an audience of mainly teenagers and insult my intelligence at the same time. You may or not be cool with Myth, that's not my present concern. You have offended me and lended little to no constructive attitude to this thread.

Becoming February 17 2005 10:04 PM EST

I don't see how so many of you can criticize Di for her behavior and then contribute to a thread like this.

Fuhgawz February 17 2005 10:10 PM EST

Honestly guys I getting sick and tired of all this just drop it and end it.

[SoV] Shiv [/me Forge Stuff :D] February 18 2005 2:47 AM EST

alienation is just a by-product of being in the best clan in cb :D

Frost February 18 2005 1:49 PM EST

Damn this is getting poo-like im gone for a week and this crap happens community going to the toilet. No wonder i left, to many idiots and dudu-heads....i dont when im crossing the line or not thats why it seems alittle silly, this is getting so annoying

[From CB1]Tequito February 19 2005 1:31 AM EST

This entire thread was a the biggest pile of pointless, whiney crap I've seen. I can't believe I wasted my time reading it, and now responding to it. Myth, if you feel like you've been abused or mistreated by the carnage blender administration, then well... too bad. You have asked for it time and time again, by making big deals and big threads over trivial crap that is no bid deal whatsoever. Then it rubs off on your little valinor minions, and guess what, it doesn't make the ops want to be loose with the rules at all. The more rude you are, the more likely we are to be strict about the rules. I rarely ever op on cb2d, and I've barely payed attention to this whiney scenario, but guess what, i was told long long ago to deal with afk rooms. I went in to every non-main room on the server, not only valinor, and just did my volunteer, that's right, mark that, I don't get paid, volunteer, duty. In ever other 4 or so rooms I get a polite response from the people that are there, then I go in to valinor, and I get a very very rude response, when I all I say is Hi. I may have been there to chat, you'd never know, I'd never been in ther before. It made me feel like just harrassing valinor a little bit, you know, getting rid of anybody that isn't there, and checking every ten minutes, simply because I am a person, and people can be spiteful. Think about that a little bit next time you go off and throw one of your little tantrums.

Tribute February 19 2005 3:18 AM EST

I ask myself, "It is possible for these threads to be closed?"
And I answer myself, "Why, of course, foolish one! But be careful, talking to yourself is a sign of insanity."

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 19 2005 3:50 AM EST

It is possible for these threads to be closed?


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