Shouldn't this loophole be closed? (in General)

I was Dignifried Bean August 5 2005 12:57 AM EDT

I just noticed that if i go to one of my smaller characters, I start to accumulate BA at the faster rate. I don't think this should happen, do you?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 5 2005 12:59 AM EDT

It's always been my understanding that by doing this you lower your rewards and/or forging efficency. I could be wrong.

LumpBot August 5 2005 1:02 AM EDT

Impossible, no matter what PR or time you've been on CB2. It is always a BA refresh every 10 minutes. Gaining more BA per refresh might happen but I'm not sure.

I was Dignifried Bean August 5 2005 1:09 AM EDT

My big guy gets 8BA per click. I just switched to do some building on my middle guy and I immediately get 9BA per click. This leads me to believe that I can just go to my little guy when I am away and regen at 10BA per click. This does not seem to fit with the intention of the different regen rates.

LumpBot August 5 2005 1:10 AM EDT

Doesn't work the way you think. Read what you said and you pretty much answered your own theory. But it was a good try.

[T]Vestax August 5 2005 1:27 AM EDT

I have tried a couple of times to take advantage of this and have failed. I get BA refresh of 7 If I switch to Valkyrie I still get 7. However, if I use my Valkyrie and keep my selected character as Valkyrie then my BA refresh moves to 9. The problem is that I can't just use a little BA and then soak up a 9/10 rate until 160 and then spend it on my main character. After a while the BA drops again, and if it becomes clear to the game that my intent was to get extra BA then after a while I might even get less then 7 BA refresh a few times to make up for it.

There is no loophole, the only way to get the higher BA refresh is to use the character that provides it and use it consistently. Which would mean it's great for starting over and sucks if you want to get your main character ahead. Trust me you get more BA for lead char if you just stick with it. As for forging, your RPM is determined by your MPR, so again there is no advantage for the lower character.

I was Dignifried Bean August 5 2005 1:37 AM EDT

I just tried my theory. As long as my little guy is showing in the top right listbox I collect 10BA every 10 minutes. I can then go to my bigboy and use those ten battles. I again select little guy and voila... 10BA next click.
I repeat, it is just plain wrong. Especially if it only works for me!

I was Dignifried Bean August 5 2005 1:56 AM EDT

OK Vestax I think I hear you. Are you saying that the game will eventually "claw back" some BA if I am not using them where they were allocated? If this is the case, I will humbly step down from my soapbox.

QBJohnnywas August 5 2005 3:49 AM EDT

I seem to remember somebody being reset for abusing this in CB1...

Sedecim August 5 2005 4:36 AM EDT

You're talking about this case, I believe.

Sedecim August 5 2005 5:05 AM EDT

Funny thing though. Let me quote from a post Jon made in that thread.

"For the rest of the lynch mob, no, I don't think this warrants a reset. He was, after all, only able to boost his BA gain to 10/5 while he was online. (He's also been buying the max allowed ba on a daily basis.) Pretty different from letting a bot play for you or minting arbitrary amounts of money. Another mitigating factor is I don't think this has been going on very long; I'm confident in Rotulous's suspicious nature. :)

--Jonathan, June 5 2004 9:37 AM EDT"

And irony always seems to catch up with reality. A few months later there's this post. Octonar, Safariman banned for bot and multi

[T]Vestax August 5 2005 6:00 AM EDT

Yes Tyr, I'm saying it will catch up to you. You will only get as much 10 BA refresh credit as you deserve. The more BA you spent on your lower char, the more 10 BA refresh you will get, but not enough to get an advantage.

Achertontus [Sneezels] August 5 2005 1:53 PM EDT

When i switch to my lower char and do 1 fight, it regenerates more BA. Instead of 8 it becomes 10.
Just one fight is enough.
When its full i switch to my high char again :)

That is when im not playing any other games together with CB2
Almost never...

QBBarzooMonkey August 5 2005 2:37 PM EDT

I had the same thing happen a little while ago when I went to my little character to make some tweaks. I had 8 BA remaining from a normal refresh after fighting with Princess WonderDog (big character), switched to Voodoo Child (new, little character), made a tweak, fought 8 battles, and switched back to PW to log out. I immediately had 10 BA remaining, tried to fight, and was able to use them all. Curious, I waited for another 8 to refresh, switchcd to VC, made a tweak and used them up, and switched back to PW. Again, 10 BA remaining showed up and was usable.

The point to my long-winded story is to say that I agree with the concern that it might be a bug that should be fixed, out of fairness...

[T]Vestax August 5 2005 2:49 PM EDT

Interesting Acher, I'm not sure if I tested it by spending only 1 BA per cycle, but if you like you can test this further for me. My conclusion already is that in order for this to work you would need to babysit each cycle. Tell me if you succeed at taking advantage of this... so I can reset you. :)

Frod August 5 2005 9:25 PM EDT

Vestax, what part of "For the rest of the lynch mob, no, I don't think this warrants a reset." didn't you understand?

[T]Vestax August 5 2005 9:49 PM EDT

Frod, it was a joke.

QBOddBird August 5 2005 10:09 PM EDT

Even so, if you babysit your BA cycles, you are only gaining 1 or 2 BA a round, and at the expense of having to sit there the entire time it refreshes. Is that really honestly worth it? If nothing else, you're spending a ton of extra effort for the small advantage gained.

mchaos August 5 2005 10:31 PM EDT

Hopefully this won't get me in trouble but....

I always camp with my small character because of the higher BA refresh rate (the BA-used-per-store-visit is apparently tied to your highest character like the BA purchase price, ergo camping with a small character costs the same BA per store visit but refreshes at a faster rate).

It has always seemed to me that my BA refresh rate did depend on the character I used last before logging off. I will try to gather some hard evidence of this over the weekend, but it seemed to me that even logged off my BA refreshed consistantely based on which character I was actively using last (Kiff, my tiny camping character or Morbo, my 200k MPR fighting character).

In conclusion, I do think there is a loophole, and it may make a difference if used correctly.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 6 2005 1:28 AM EDT

like I said in post two, I believe this was fixed by Jon reducing the effectiveness of BA gained at a higher refresh rate (lower rewards, reduced forging ability). I think all good campers use a 10/10 refresh rate char, so I wouldn't worry.

Will [Retired] August 6 2005 8:46 AM EDT

mchaos, you get 10 visits to the store no matter what char you use. So for a larger char that gets 8 BA/10 min you still get 10 visits to the store for 8 BA. It does this by sometimes not 'charging' you a BA for visiting.

Back to the main thread... This is a loophole, but you have to do something on the lower character to warrant getting the higher BA refresh rate, like fight someone or forge a BA etc. The only problem is that as soon as you become inactive on the CB server then your refresh rate goes back to that of your highest char again. You would have to continually refresh your home page all day long, and I wouldn't recommend trying ;)

QBJohnnywas August 6 2005 8:52 AM EDT

From my own experience keeping your home page on the character with the higher BA refresh is enough to keep it at that rate. However if you are fighting with the character with the lower refresh rate then switching to the higher refresh rate you will find there is a delay in refreshing and you will only get the lower refresh rate.

Mmmm, that's not the clearest explanation is it?

[T]Vestax August 6 2005 8:59 AM EDT

Johnnywas is correct. There is in fact a delay, which is based on how much you use the lower character. The longer you use it, the longer the delay. And if you use the lower character enough it will stay at the lower refresh rate, which makes starting over with a new character not all that bad.

As for camping, yeah you get free BA at lower refresh rates. How do you think Sefton is able to camp and fight at the same time.
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