FB versus CoC (in General)

Because I'm bored.

First, let's assume both are of an equal level of 100, and for simplicities sake, FB does 1/2 it's level as damage, while CoC does 90% of it's level.

Round 1;
FB: 35 Damage ((100 x .7 (Ranged Penalty))/2)
CoC: 0

Round 2;
FB: 40 Damage (75 Total)
CoC: 0

Round 3;
FB: 45 Damage (120 Total)
CoC: 0

Round 4;
FB: 50 Damage (170 Total)
CoC: 90 Damage

(So, on the first round of melee combat, FB will have done 88% more damage than CoC)

Round 5;
FB: 50 Damage (220 Total)
CoC: 90 Damage (180 Total)

(FB is still ahead by 22%)

Round 6;
FB: 50 Damage (270 Total)
CoC: 90 Damage (270 Total)

So by the third round of melee combat, damage output for both spells equals.

From here, CoC will put out more damage than FB.

Sounds fair to me. You also need to remember that FB also wastes less damage on 20 HP minions, and can kill first in exchange for backlash.

But CoC fairs better versus Mage Shields and GA. :)

Don't forget CoC is better the FB when up against ToE. :)

But as you always said, hitting first is huge advantage.

LOL! True and true! ;)

Also, with a higher effect than the other DD spells, CoC takes more damage from AMF backlashes than other DD s of the same level.

But then again, FB takes damage from GA and AMF earlier and so more(?)

Yup!

Don't forget that FB hits your own minions come melee.... and your own GA will hurt your FireBaller... (stupid GA)

In summary, Jonathan is a genius... *smile* What an excellent example of balance AND choice! I love it!

yea once i go and get my ToA i have to switch to CoC to avoid the backfire damage to my tank. this data is perfect for me. thanks GL

And for those that are smart enough:just have a tattoo that does dd, for the level of tattoo allowed vs ur minions dd trained, the tattoo outputs about 5-10times more dmg. So all you have to do is build a bunch of minions that support the tattoo to keep it alive.

Tormentor, tell that to BCS! ;) Only Ranger has a near 1 mil Tat!

Ok GL you do have a point of comparing tattoo level stuff. But in reality having a tattoo leveling and dealing deadly dmg is well deadly. Even at 500k it won't be that bad.

They sure beat the stuffing out of TBF s!

;)

We will see in a couple of months then.

OK, Changed to reflect the possibility that CoC is 75% not 90%.

Round 1;
FB: 35 Damage ((100 x .7 (Ranged Penalty))/2)
CoC: 0

Round 2;
FB: 40 Damage (75 Total)
CoC: 0

Round 3;
FB: 45 Damage (120 Total)
CoC: 0

Round 4;
FB: 50 Damage (170 Total)
CoC: 75 Damage

(So, on the first round of melee combat, FB will have done 126% more damage than CoC)

Round 5;
FB: 50 Damage (220 Total)
CoC: 75 Damage (150 Total)

(FB is still ahead by 47%)

Round 6;
FB: 50 Damage (270 Total)
CoC: 75 Damage (225 Total)

(FB still ahead by 20%)

Round 7;
FB: 50 Damage (320 Total)
CoC: 75 Damage (300 Total)

(FB Still ahead by 7%)

Round 8;
FB: 50 Damage (370 Total)
CoC: 75 Damage (375 Total)

So by the fifth round of melee combat, CoC just out damages FB. By 1.4%

From here, CoC will put out more damage than FB.

If that were the case, FB would be the way to go. However, FB doesn't exactly do an average of half, either, it is slightly below as well. So the first set of data carries, but to a reduced extent. (at least not for me. If you want data, I'll send ya some or someone else will - there's no shortage of single FB mages.)

The point that was recently made to me,

My wins and losses do not make it to melee, so changing to CoC would hurt me more than help me as I never get splashback.

Coc is the way to go for me, ga takes care of some Minions in ranged and then w/e makes it to melee dies to coc. If I made the tattoo a fireball I really don't know what would happen, I do know some enemy minions that are only 20hp would die but it is risky to have a fire tattoo on 4 minion team especially against 1 minion enemy where my fireball makes it to melee I would have to then have the damage split 5 ways where coc would do it at it's maximum.

Obviously there are no hard and fast rules as to where you use a DD spell. But from my own experience I've always found FB to be better suited to a single minion and CoC to a multi minion team. Where CoC is concerned you need to ensure the mage lasts the longest possible time, so for me a ToE, a wall and lots of HP has been key to my own success. When Jack was a single FB mage with FF he used to win most fights in 2 rounds. But the ones he lost were not because the other team beat him, it was because of the friendly fire going on...

Both spells have their strengths and weaknesses. Which one you use depends on how well you are going to maximise those strengths.

Keeping your CoC minion alive for as long as possible has always been key to staying competitive against FB minions. That's why my CoC mage uses a Mithril Cuirass and a Mithril Shield.

And after I get myself a CoI I'll be adding CML's to that list. Crazy you say? Sure. Will it work? I'll keep you posted, but I'm pretty confident.

I forgot to mention something:

For those of you who tell me that a ToE would be better than heavy, magic penalty-type armor, I'm using a ToJ as a wall. I think Tons of HP (using AS as well) on an extra familiar minion will outweigh the benefits of the ToE for my personal set-up.

I did not read all the post.The main point of FB is someone that is dead does not conter attack.Also someone have say that COC have high AMF back fire well not really.

hmm I don't think FB is can do 50% damage of it's level.
It's more like 1/5, other word 20%. (^_^`)