GA or VA? (in General)


HunterFrei November 19 2005 4:12 PM EST

My character, Heavens Rejects, is thinking about changing VA to GA but can't decide. They need your help!

What I would like for you people to do is post which of the two would be best for my current strat and as to why it would be better of the two. Examples are more than welcome.

BrandonLP November 19 2005 4:14 PM EST

Ditch Protection and get VA on the tank. ;)

HunterFrei November 19 2005 4:17 PM EST

That wouldn't work too well with my tank having a MgS.

BrandonLP November 19 2005 4:19 PM EST

You should consider using a BoM then, seeing as how you're also training ST.

HunterFrei November 19 2005 4:21 PM EST

Yes, I could use a BoM, but without the MgS mages would easily rip my tank to shreds.

BrandonLP November 19 2005 4:24 PM EST

Then use GA since you're utilizing AS.

chappy [Soup Ream] November 19 2005 4:26 PM EST

IMO - The EC should be dropped and the minion with the RoS should be max AS. This in combo with the RoS = tons of HP for all your minions .. then I would indeed change your VA to GA ... the combo of having lots of HP with GA is a lot of damage that you can do. As far as the tank goes (I know this wasn't part of the question, but hey) I would go with a CoC mage instead ... either that or go with EC on the Haste minion ... and I agree with the BoM on the tank if you keep him .. you gotta pump the STR and DEX the hard way ...

Mikel [Bring it] November 19 2005 5:32 PM EST

I agree with Chappy's analysis. Just look at Mikel III, that is almost what he's saying. You would fair better with GA than the VA simply only one of your guys does any damage. you damage will increase with the GA. The RoS will keep it alive vs most DM's so you won't need to overtrain on it, just train it to be as big as the biggest hit you take.

HunterFrei November 19 2005 6:05 PM EST

Just to explain why I have both EC and haste: Haste alone isn't enough to keep up with a ToA tank, neither is training DX on the tank and combining it with a pure haste enchanter; with the combination of EC, haste, and trained dx, I can keep up with ToA DX. I'm wanting to keep this strat basically what it is right now. The EC also helps me keep ToA's ST down close to mine so I can keep up damage wise.

So, if I keep things trained as they are: would it be better to have GA or VA (so far it seems I should have GA) and should i use a BoM instead of a MgS?

onlyyouknow November 19 2005 7:35 PM EST

With 4 minions, the DD damage should be well spread out. So you can ditch the MgS. If you are worried about the dex, then you should have used a ToA instead. EC isn't too effective unless you train fully on one minion. Train more AS instead. You are already losing out on the chance to hit by using a RoS instead of ToA.

HunterFrei November 19 2005 7:48 PM EST

"EC isn't too effective unless you train fully on one minion"--onlyyouknow

Ethereal Chains: 44,345 (16,032) Ablative Shield: 52,004/4,397 (24,971)

Haste: 48,781 (33,292)

Haste, as you can see, is fully trained on my E. You can also see, from the data above, that my EC isn't much smaller than my haste. My AS is also larger than my haste, which is fully trained.

Mikel [Bring it] November 20 2005 2:40 AM EST

well unfortunately, EC takes a lot of xp to make useful. IMHO it is a waste of xp for so little return.

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] November 20 2005 3:18 AM EST

MgS/BoM, stick to your guns buddy, stay with MgS rather than switching just because you're told to. Four minions is nice for reducing DD attacks but without any big anti-mage tactics, you're going to struggle. So you either need a meatshield, a big AMF or an MgS.

Finally, VA or GA?
Sorry, but I couldn't give an informed opinion on that so I'm not going to suggest either.

CmdrHawkeye November 22 2005 12:53 PM EST

I have one character with VA and one With GA hey it might not be the most effective but I like it covers all grounds.

chappy [Soup Ream] November 22 2005 1:04 PM EST

If you're planning on making an RoS team that can keep up with a ToA team (of equal / greater MPR) then you're going to need a good HoD and EGs .. maybe even EBs and an EC as well ... why not throw on the BoM ..

It's going to be a tough strat I'll give you that ..

chappy [Soup Ream] November 22 2005 1:07 PM EST

typo .. not HoD but HoE ... obviously :)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 22 2005 1:11 PM EST

the RoS based team should be AS/w RoS / Haste / Haste / BL STR and Prot, with heavy armor, and Tulkas, HoE, and BoM.

Maximize every part with Corns and STR armor...and presto, things die.
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