GL and Johnnywas new NCB charcaters (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 10 2006 6:57 AM EST

It's getting to the time Johnny can actually create a NCB charcater, and my first is coming to an end.

When we discussed the possiblity of starting a new NCB character (I really want to use it to level my Tattoo) we both had the same idea of making a Single UC tank (Thanks for the inspiration BM!).

Much like our original AG wager, I've suggested we start at the same time and see who can build the better UC tank within the NCB timeframe.

This will be a Gentlemans wager and I don't think we need strict rules for it. :) Help us develop our single UC strategies! :)

I'm thinking of Trianing HP, UC, Str and AMF (with a base prot) and using a ToE. Equipment will be a pair of HGs, EB (DBs not too good as they won't stack with the natural Evaison from UC), HoE and maybe a Shield.

I'll leave dex at near base (just high enough to get doubles on enchanters/mages). I'm never going to compete with a proper tank for Dex, so I'll trust the + from UC and the defensive dex from UC. :)

AMF will be my only protection from Mages.


QBJohnnywas February 10 2006 7:05 AM EST

Due to financial constrictions - unless I sell my rather large tattoo, which I'm loathe to do - I may be trying out going naked apart from the tattoo, although if anyone has any HG's going cheap I may be interested!

So if you don't want to see me running around here naked please avert your eyes from the start of March...

So, I know it's not the wisest of decisions to even think about doing without as many bonus items as possible, it might be cheaper and those BA costs need to be taken into consideration too. I'm contemplating making my (cold shivering) guy dex concentrated rather than strength.

Mages - pah - AMF is only worth using in large quantities and even then it doesn't make a huge difference the bigger the dd spell gets.. we're going to get killed solidly by mages...I think we just have to accept that...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 10 2006 7:14 AM EST

:) If you don't want to use a Tattoo, I've a +12 Gi you can have for this. :)

QBJohnnywas February 10 2006 7:18 AM EST

I'll go the ToE route - whether that's a new ToE or using my old one to get the best out of max tattoo level..

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 10 2006 7:22 AM EST

Def keep your old Tattoo. Maybe we can find someone willing to sell 2x HG (and HoE! lol!) and pool our resources. :)

QBJohnnywas February 10 2006 7:24 AM EST

Shame I sold my old HGs....

Ammon [The Black Tower] February 10 2006 10:59 AM EST

Could go ToA instead of ToE to get more Str Pth and Dex

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 10 2006 11:21 AM EST

You two need mental help...single UC chars...*chortle*

Two minion teams, the mage hunter with an enchanter Wearing an RoE, RoS, or ToE and training AMF and AS (allows you to MAX STR and UC), and the tank slayer with the front minion training haste as well as Hp and small DM (allows you triple dex,: dex, eva, haste)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 10 2006 11:28 AM EST

Oh no, I'm staying single for this run! :D

The ToE stays, as I don't want to re ink my tattoo and I'll need the damage reduction as I'll have crap AC. :)

Ammon [The Black Tower] February 10 2006 11:55 AM EST

Also would go GA instead of AMF, it'll retail all dmg types not only mages you'll get hit by the mages yes, but you'll also hit back

Maelstrom February 10 2006 12:15 PM EST

Didn't you two learn anything from Brock Samson? Single minion UC just isn't competitive, especially without heavy investment of real money. It works for BarzooMonkey because he has three tanks and an enchanter, and 60+ mil NW.

Johnny, as clan leader, I forbid you from going UC.
GL, please go ahead, it would be a pleasure to farm you.


QBBarzooMonkey February 10 2006 1:01 PM EST

I gotta agree with Mael - although a lot of great info on the fantastic defensive aspects of UC has been discussed in the past day or 2, ask me about the damage he inflicts - it's okay now, at this level, but before about (70), it was :(
And although it's great defensively against physical attack, he is ultra-vulnerable to DD spells

QBJohnnywas February 10 2006 2:20 PM EST

Looks like I'm not allowed to play GL... lol.

I think it's worth a try actually. And nobody has ever claimed I was sane. We shall see how works it. And Mael, anything I do seems to be bad for the clan! I'm playing a single FB mage and look how that works for me!

QBBarzooMonkey February 10 2006 2:45 PM EST

So, start with a FB mage & a UC tank until your UC tanks are big enough boys to take care of themselves, and then fire the FB mages at a pre-agreed upon point. Then you can still proceed with your original wager of building the biggest single UC tanks :)

QBJohnnywas February 10 2006 2:52 PM EST

I think we both have some strange psychosis - we both have an idea that it should work from scratch! Otherwise I would just switch my current char's ToE to a ToA and chuck my entire FB spell into UC - how much UC would I get for 13 million xp?

Maelstrom February 10 2006 2:56 PM EST

Strange psychosis is right, though a more exact diagnosis is that you're both masochists.

But I was just joking about stopping you. If you have a strange desire to be mercilessly beaten by everyone within your PR range, go right ahead. I respect your need for self-expression ;)

QBJohnnywas February 10 2006 2:58 PM EST

Masochist? It's only Wednesday that's beatings day. Sundays are when I... oh wait maybe not... ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 10 2006 5:37 PM EST

Oh sunday now... I'll give you that gag back on sat then. ;)

For me, torture garden is on thursdays! ;)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 11 2006 1:47 AM EST

they might be alright if they specialize as they have suggested, it would give them just enough power (theoretically) in trade for complete decimation by the opposing side.

Maelstrom February 11 2006 1:50 AM EST

Novice, what are you doing bringing that thread back on topic?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 11 2006 2:00 AM EST

did I just bring a thread back on topic...crap!
*looks around for the daemon he sold his soul to*
I uhh gotta go...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 6:00 PM EST

Next thought.

I originally wanted to stay with my Tattoo as a ToE, as I think they are great. But I'll lose two of its 'powers'. No aura and no AMF backlash reduction.

I'm considering getting it inked to a ToA. Extra Str, Dex and Pth will always help. With this in mind, I'm considering spending xp as 1/3 HP, 1/3 UC, 1/3 AMF. Leaving my ToA to pick up Str and Dex (or topping up a little when needed).

QBJohnnywas February 14 2006 6:34 PM EST

I switched my FB mage to UC tank this week to test it out at higher levels. I swapped my million level FB all to UC and with Helms and EB's I've ended up with a UC of 101. And yes it is still comparatively weak compared to say a Morg; and certainly compared to the damage I used to do per hit with FB. However I hit for approximately 120k per hit with triple and sometimes quad strikes against a single minion which adds up to the same sort of damage I used to do with FB. Add to that the sort of evasion that just looks silly on the fight results - Stalker, one of the biggest tanks in the game cannot even touch me - and you've got something that is starting to look decidedly useful.

My conclusion on the subject of UC is that people who have used it haven't invested enough into it. It needs the same kind of xp investment as a DD spell. Most of the previous attempts have shared out their xp amongst the other stats and because of the bonus the Gi gives have avoided the ToA at early levels. I think this was the mistake that lead to the belief that UC is underpowered. I lost a few mage teams off my fightlist - being weak against mage teams is the downside of the single tank - but mostly I stayed at the same score level, despite losing nearly 100k in PR.

Even I thought that starting an NCB UC tank was a bit silly. But now, looking at the amount of xp I can earn on the bonus it's starting to look interesting.... ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 14 2006 7:46 PM EST

Oh I'm still doing it! ;)

Lumpy Koala February 14 2006 7:50 PM EST

I had level 86 UC much earlier before you :) And yes, it's great against tanks and tanks only. Wait till you meet a dude with TOE, you will know how puny the damage are reduced. And there are plenty of mages, so you will be farmed to oblivion hehe

But good luck to both of you. Make sure you don't stray away from this goal :P If you guys don't buy BA, then maybe I will start one too :)

QBJohnnywas February 15 2006 7:37 AM EST

Mmm. I'm renting the largest ELB in the game and do you know what? It doesn't add anybody extra to my fightlist. It seals the deal in a shorter amount of time but that's about all. The one thing that makes a difference though is seekers.

The one reason I hate running a single tank is dealing with mages. Too much xp into amf can be a waste the larger you get - those DD spells are just too big to block. But relying on seekers to help you out is just not good.

I miss the days when specialist ammo was not rare....

QBJohnnywas February 15 2006 8:35 AM EST

Actually I don't know why I'm surprised that a large UC guy could be successful. My UC is 101. Thats a x101 (+101) weapon. That's bigger than most people can afford to put on their 'real' weapons.

And I also shouldn't be surprised that you need to invest a lot into this particular weapon to start getting results. You do with any other damage dealer in the game. Why should UC be any different!?!?! ;)

Grant February 15 2006 10:28 AM EST

Actually, It's a x102 +101 weapon.

I would say, "Read my thread," but that would sound like a plaintitive cry for help :)

QBJohnnywas February 15 2006 10:58 AM EST

I just saw that in your other thread. Nice info to have!

Now if I just knew how much xp to take me to the next level I'd be even happier....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] February 15 2006 11:29 AM EST

Shade might be able to help with that. Have you seen his UC sheet?
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