Returning to Leagues (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 28 2006 6:11 AM EDT

I really like the idea. :)

The league/Realm could be part of the character creation screen, and each 'league' could have a capped daily BA.

Like an unending tournament. :)

The current four relams would remain as the 'top tier' league, with no additional BA cap. Others scould be introduced under this, limiting the total amount of BA daily, from a combination of naturally regenerated BA and bought BA.

Even if the cap was 300 BA, someone could come on, spend thier 160 and purchase an additional 140, if they know they oculd only get on once a day. While another playing in the same league could log on twice to use up thier 300 BA without needing to purchase any additional.

Charcaters in Leagues with capped BAs would grow more slowly than the default one. If this isn't taken to (Those in the lower leagues could never get as much money as others to bid on items for example...), maybe each League could have a league wide reward bonus like the NUB depending on the amount BA is capped at.

The NUB and NCB would only apply to the deafult leage/Realm.


Flamey April 28 2006 6:17 AM EDT

now i like the way you explain it GL, i can only get on once a day, look where i got with my NUB 140k MPR, i would surely participate in it as i can only get on once a day, rewards bonus would be nice to keep up with the other time spenders.

a permanent NUB as Ultima suggested you get a bonus until you get capped at like 80% of the top MPR.

I'm guessing it would take a lot of programming, that would be the major issue, and i think we know jon isn't made of time.

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] April 28 2006 8:33 AM EDT

GL, first off, congrats on the QB! :) Couldn't have picked a better one. :)

Anyhow, to the topic of leagues...
I think it would be great. Heck, I may even start playing seriously again.
It'd plaster a nice big smile on a lot of peoples' faces for weeks to come.
It doesn't have many flaws, possibly some technical computery problems but that stuff can usually be figured out..

However, I'd be careful on this one.
Start small. 2 leagues.
The first with everything as it is.
The second with 160-320 BA per day.
And have the guillotine hanging closely over the second one for a few months.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 28 2006 8:48 AM EDT

Sounds good. :)

Have a new Realm, (I donno, call it Mordor or the like!) that had a button on the character creation screen, like the old tournament choice.

In this Realmr, BA regeneration etc, is all the same, except Total BA for the day is capped at 320 - 480 (two to three times max BA should be enough. :) ) With purchaseable BA starting at Cap - 160 and reducing at the refresh ranks (so at 9/10 to 7/10 you wouldn't be able to reach the cap from only playing once and buying BA).

Give all charcaters on the realm a small XP and Cash reward (so they don't get as much as players in the normal realm, but thier charcaters aren't so much smaller and they still have some chance of buying items in auctions...) but disallow any NUB/NCB in the realm.


Any problems/amendments?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 28 2006 8:53 AM EDT

The new realm would need to allow NUB/NCB as usual. OTherwise people starting in it a year down the line would have no way of getting to the top, as there is no way to fight more than your opponent.


Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] April 28 2006 9:47 AM EDT

I like its about time someone thought of something like this.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] April 28 2006 9:48 AM EDT

How about a seperate league of clans also. Otherwise you would just be farmed and there would be nothing you could do about it.

QBJohnnywas April 28 2006 9:50 AM EDT

Lets just make sure we remember that this was UltimaSpock's idea in the ideas thread!

(And back in January, when nobody really noticed!)

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] April 28 2006 9:52 AM EDT

could you find me that thread please.

QBJohnnywas April 28 2006 10:10 AM EDT

"UltimaSpock, 4:27 AM EDT
Leagues would be a very good idea i think.

I already submitted this in the next link:

The basic idea is that we do not fight at the same rate, because some of us have a real life, and players may find this game boring and stop to play.

Leagues would be based on the number of ba you use each day, so that players could compete even if they spend only 160 ba a day. the best strats would emerged becaused results would not be biased according to the number of hours you sleep each day.

so the interest of every players in this game would be serioulsy increased.

This idea does not change anything to the game engine, but this is only a change corresponding the the reports (such as the realms lorien gondor...) "

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 28 2006 11:00 AM EDT

LOL! i wasn't trying to take credit (although I tihnk I suggested something similar a long time ago, pre NCB...). Honest!

I was creating a discussion thread based on that contest post. :)

QBJohnnywas April 29 2006 12:28 AM EDT

I wasn't implying that you were trying to take credit, just wanted to remind people of who posted the idea in the contest thread! I vaguely remember you going over something similar before though when you were thinking about extra incentives for non-NUB players...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] April 29 2006 1:12 AM EDT

natural packs are formed with MPR based on how much you fight, with the NCB it's even more that way, you know who is growing at the same rate as you and who is growing faster. I don't see any reason why we need a cb lite (best term I could come up with that didn't involve a special olympic reference).

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 29 2006 6:30 AM EDT

It gives another Goal. Another purpose.

Get get to the top ten of the smaller league. To become number one in a fixed environment.

It might give drive to the more casual players who can wake up every three hours to burn a full set of BA.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 1 2006 9:33 AM EDT

so what does john think about this.

Sacredpeanut May 1 2006 9:38 AM EDT

I like this idea

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 1 2006 9:38 AM EDT

"It might give drive to the more casual players who can wake up every three hours to burn a full set of BA. "


That should have been can't wake up...

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 1 2006 10:03 AM EDT

I feal like I could actually compete in this league system.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] May 1 2006 1:04 PM EDT

But, how many of you actually understood the game when you signed up well enough to decide which league? If you did this, you have a WAY bigger problem with multis than we do now simply because someone would say "hey...that's not fair! I want to do that now that I understand..." and create another account to get whatever bonus went along with it....or do you have a solution for that too?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 1 2006 2:20 PM EDT

Don't need a new account. The league selection would be part of character creation.

Multi's would be dealt with just as they usually are.

And as the rewards for playing in the proper realms are greater, those multi-ing for profit would not be interested in the smaller league.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] May 1 2006 3:15 PM EDT

So you're saying there would be no penalty for just up and making a new char? For instance, when you make an account you get NUB, but when that runs out the only option you have is NCB...would you get an initial bonus better than just making a new char on an existing account?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 1 2006 6:06 PM EDT

No initial bonus. It's just a different set of characters to play with, and a different BA limit.

The new realm would need to allow both the NUB and the NCB to work within it, so someone joining it in a years time could have a chance at getting to the top. Which will be harder than usual, as you are guaranteed to just about never be able to fight more than your opponent.

Heh, suggesting that, a league like this would be a great place to mess around with scaling rewards (the number one spot getting least xp rewards of all), but as MrC says we should keep it simple to begin with.

You could even go so far as to say the NUB doesn't work, but that every character created in it receives the NCB, to put everyone on an equal footing (for the first four months of a characters life).

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 1 2006 6:08 PM EDT

It's not an account thing.

You could have two characters. One in the original realms, one in the new lesser one.

It could even be a side project for some. Use all the limited BA in the lesser (sucking up some of your natural BA) and then move back over to your 'normal' character for some clan fighting/whatever.

Hakai [Aye Phelta Thi] May 1 2006 6:10 PM EDT

Well, at the very least it sounds like you've at least thought this through....You seem to have it all figured out, so you have my vote lol. I think it sounds cool. Good luck getting it passed into play! ^_^

TheEverblacksky May 2 2006 5:48 PM EDT

i like this idea.... since i don't get on enough to be competetive. But what would we be talking on the items we have already, you couldn't use em on the char? or what.

[SNK3R Edit: Removed duplicate post.]

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 2 2006 7:39 PM EDT

No problem with existing items. I was thinking more on this, but it's late and I've forgotten...

If you've got the cash/items, send them over. But if you're playing in the 'real' realms you won't have those items.

That was it! something along the lines of, give the new realm bonus xp, but keep money penalised (from capped BA. If you want to make money, forge/fight with a 'proper' realm character.

But you'll have lost some of yor daily BA to your realm lite one. :)

Flamey May 3 2006 3:26 AM EDT

still agree its a great idea, but i hate when i see ideas just fade away.

cant we just have a one word response from jon or the admins?

those being of course, no and yes.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 3 2006 10:14 AM EDT

your exactly right but it seems there just ignoring this.

UltimaSpock [Forge Frog Services] May 3 2006 10:17 AM EDT

thx for your interest guys!

when i first thought about leagues, my idea was not to make them constant as soon as you create your character, because you do not know at the beginning if you will play a lot or not.

it was more the idea of an adaptive league, you could go up or down according to your average ba per day. and this way you do not have to restart a new character...
but what gl said is also a possibility.

if you use an adaptive league, and since your power also depends on the time you played in this game, you must also take into account the realms you are in...
if you have 4 realms and four leagues, this leads to 16 castles towns or hills as somebody else presented in the first thread...
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