Carfax... (in Off-topic)

Tezmac May 9 2006 12:11 AM EDT

Anyone have an open Carfax account with which they'd be willing to look up a VIN for me? I dont think this post is out of line with the forum rules...

YOU May 9 2006 1:30 AM EDT

there are places you can check VIN out for free (roughly as good as Carfax). The results....are : .............

Dragon Slayer May 9 2006 1:47 AM EDT

tezmac ill look up the vin for you what is it?

Tezmac May 9 2006 2:09 AM EDT

Sent you a CM Dragon Slayer, I go to check out the car ~12PM server time tomorrow, if anyone else can give it a quick check I'd appreciate it. Just so its here, the VIN is JM1FE173850143187. Thanks all!

Tezmac May 9 2006 2:16 AM EDT

Bah, and my email address is tezmac at comcast dot net if you need to send me something. Thanks again!!

Tezmac May 9 2006 2:35 AM EDT

Post closed, thanks for your help Dragon! Looks like Ill be picking up a RX8 tomorrow :O)

SuiteStuff [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] May 9 2006 2:42 AM EDT

get an EVO!!! RX-8 = Rotary which ain't good past 50k miles!!! Spelling really needs to learn car names!

Tezmac May 9 2006 3:05 AM EDT

Gosh, I better go tell my buddies with their RX-7s that their cars should have died about a decade ago!

SuiteStuff [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] May 9 2006 3:08 AM EDT

lol...well rotary you have to take real good care of lke rebuild the motor every 50k miles or so...but they are great cars for drifting no doubt about that!

Xiaz on Hiatus May 9 2006 3:27 AM EDT

I'm sure the RX-7/8 are better in a straight line than sideways.

Drifting is so boring, burning worn tires /snore. :P

bartjan May 9 2006 3:33 AM EDT

Funny that Wankel engines are often used in Airplanes for their reliability and durability ;)

SuiteStuff [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] May 9 2006 3:43 AM EDT

straight line evo beats both Rx's

Tezmac May 9 2006 5:27 AM EDT

Straight line driving isn't racing. Ever.
Ill take the RX-8 with its perfect 50/50 weight distribution, lighter chassis, and free revving engine (9k red line) on a tight road course over a Evo any day. What fun would a rollercoaster be if it only went straight? :O)

Maelstrom May 9 2006 8:50 AM EDT

What are you people talking about? What's Carfax? I thought it was some new confusing combination of Carnage, Vestax and Verifex... :S

And that last name is no longer recognized. Guess I need to refer to him as Blast!

bartjan May 9 2006 9:09 AM EDT

I thought it was about sending faxes from your car ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 9 2006 9:46 AM EDT

Fnar Fnar! Finbar Saunders would have a field day with Bart's engines! :D

SuiteStuff [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] May 9 2006 12:08 PM EDT

heh...on a course Evo still wins with its perfect turning and AWD system...Aluminum roof aluminum hood aluminum fenders, 6 gears, Bilstein shocks, twin scroll turbo...oh and they also used the same engine for last 16 years...not one recall!! And all that is stock!!

YOU May 9 2006 12:12 PM EDT

The only Evo. worth talking about is : Evolution.-J (Evo. 7 for white folks) :D

SuiteStuff [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] May 9 2006 12:16 PM EDT

the is nice but the 9 MR is better

AdminNightStrike May 9 2006 1:59 PM EDT

50k mile rebuilds on a rotary motor? I don't think you know what a rotary motor is........ or how it was designed.... or the benefits behind it..... or anything else about it, for that matter.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 9 2006 2:10 PM EDT

Ford did some serious upgrades to the wankel design before the RX-8 was released reliability and efficiency are way up.

bartjan May 9 2006 2:43 PM EDT

Nightstrike: it's better to call this a Wankel engine (named after the inventor), and not a rotary engine. A rotary engine is usually a regular piston engine, but with the cylinders in a circular layout, with the cylinders rotating around the crankshaft. This way, the cylinders act like a flywheel, resulting in much less vibration. Also, this way the cylinders are much easier cooled. Typical use: early 20th century aircrafts.

A Wankel engine does not have a piston, but instead a rotor rotating in a chamber. This image should explain how it works:

AdminG Beee May 9 2006 3:07 PM EDT

Bart, you really need to get out more...

bartjan May 9 2006 3:20 PM EDT

How? I don't have a car ;)

NSFY May 9 2006 3:24 PM EDT

This has been very educational - I always wondered how they could get one of those airplane motors into a car.

But that rotating triangle thingy looks like trouble waiting to happen - are there a bunch of those things like pistons ? How the heck can that thing stay sealed at those contact points and not wear down ?

/doesn't know much about mechanical stuff

NSFY May 9 2006 4:01 PM EDT

OK never mind. I investigated myself. It works by dark magic just as I suspected!

Hey didn't I just post this ?

/deja vu moment

SuiteStuff [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] May 9 2006 4:53 PM EDT

hey i know how a rotary engine works....i take what i was saying back earlier about the mechanical problems since they used to have to be replaced every 50k miles...but the evo will still out run the rx-8 in any competition except drift, since you cant drift an evo...AWD owns in everything!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 9 2006 5:34 PM EDT

RD: you're still comparing a naturally aspirated engine with a grenade of a turbo charged beast. Throw a blower on the rx-8's wankel and bring the HP up to anywhere near par and the evo starts looking more and more like the lancers it's based off of. The true sports car design of the RX-8 shines brightly when you lessen the effects of the PSI crazed turbo you'll have oh so much fun replacing.
Incidentally the reliability problems of the later RX-7's were mostly turbo related, have fun replacing yours!

QBsutekh137 May 9 2006 5:55 PM EDT

Come on, you cannot downplay the importance of AWD, though. I don't race, but for a car being safe and stable (even as a commuter), I will never go away from AWD (currently a Subaru driver) if I can help it.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 9 2006 6:03 PM EDT

while I'm right there with you on the all wheel drive, I can't let RD just jibber on as though his opinion is actually valid...personally I just want to see a GTI R36 (sure it's a theoretical engine combination but an awd VW in the US is just too good) with a massive blower or turbo and a roll cage. For an everyday driver the Evo is obviously the better choice. However if you want a sports car that behaves like one, the RX-8 is by far the better choice.

Maelstrom May 9 2006 6:15 PM EDT

"Throw a blower on the rx-8's wankel and bring the HP up"

So putting a blower on your wankel is kind of like casting Ablative Shield? Is a wankel a kind of enchanter minion? And I guess the blower is kind of an RoS?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 9 2006 6:20 PM EDT

/me carps Maelstrom with a hemi.

Tezmac May 9 2006 6:25 PM EDT

Well, I guess I post a picture of the beast that started this conversation...

Now I've got a speedy pair of blue vehicles...

Should I paint my FJ-40 blue too?? hehehe...

I'll still take the RX-8 over any American spec Evolution...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 9 2006 6:35 PM EDT

the LC would look sweet in blue!

InebriatedArsonist May 9 2006 6:54 PM EDT

Just remember that Wankel rotary engines have their problems. They're horrible in terms of efficient use of fuel, so much so that Mazda struggled to meet emissions standards because Wankel engines expel significant quantities of unburned fuel. The Wankel also has relatively low amounts of torque compared to piston engines of comparable HP output.

And while Bart is correct that rotary engines are used in the aviation industry, let's remember that airlines not only have trained mechanics ready but can also afford to frequently overhaul aircraft engines.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 9 2006 7:01 PM EDT

IA you already missed the "it'll break every 50k miles section" of the post, you and RD will make great friends.....*snicker*.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 9 2006 7:36 PM EDT

Too much wankel....

Stephen May 9 2006 7:43 PM EDT

Piston action is definitely favored over a wankel

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] May 9 2006 7:47 PM EDT

Wankel = Rotary action of your crankshaft?

Stephen May 9 2006 7:49 PM EDT

With compression, ignition and exhaust!

SuiteStuff [C and S Forgery Lmtd.] May 9 2006 10:17 PM EDT

ok /me gives in...nice tell you the truth all i ahte Evo's, not a fan of RX-8's though but like the 7's better...but i sell Evo's as for a living so why not create a debate about it, as you can tell i ain't good at debating evo's with RX-8's...mainly used to STi's and the new Mazdaspeed and VW's R34...but i have to admit thats a nice the bike saving up for a bike right now to tell you the truth!
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