PS3 (in Off-topic)

are you going to buy the PS3 when it comes out? it is either going to be 499 for the 20gig hard drive or 599 for the 60gig hard drive. i personally think the prices are way high but i will try to get one for Christmas lol.

yeah, I am going to try to get as many as I can. I have already gotten together a few friends to sit in the lines for me at different stores around the country. Then I am going to turn around and sell them on eBay to pay for Christmas

blast double post...I meant county, not country

Why bother?

The price point is bordering on ridiculous, six-hundred bucks for the decent system? C'mon. And while Blu-Ray is probably a superior format compared to HD-DVD, it's a Sony product, and I hate Sony.

Here's to hoping Sony fails miserably.

a system with a £1000 piece of hardware in it being sold for between £400 and £500. I don't see how people cannot see that as a bargain.

I'm not interested in DRM-crippled blu-ray. I won't be getting a PS3 until it hits the $300 range. (Yeah, I'm prepared to wait a while.)

I'll be getting a Wii when it launches unless Nintendo really screws something up, and a 360 when it gets to the same $300 mark. (The real 360, not the rip-off-stupid-people "core.")

... oh, and part of my motivation for the Wii is that I have a ps2 and XBox, but no gamecube, so I'll be able to catch up on some of the GC games I wanted to play but not quite enough to buy a 3rd last-generation console for.

I got £80 worth of 'Game' vouchers when I left my last job (three or more? years ago..). I got a game cube (to sit alongside my coverted PS2, which I got on day fo release! :D) and haven't looked back!

I love the controllers and as an added bonus, Claire prefers games on it and actually plays more now! ;)

I've been given an X-Bow (as a mate has now purchased a 360) and will probably buy a PS3 (when I can concince Claire to let me spend the cahs...), but she's put her foot down on not getting on on release.

;)

Never mind all those new fancy game consoles. You want to really get yourself the latest technology available.

I just bought myself a state-of-the-art DVD rewinder. It's the ultimate must-have for people who are sick of paying rewind fees at video stores but don't have a "rewind" function on their dvd player. Batteries may be required.

O_O

Oh Em Gee!

im really confused about that.....you dont rewind DVDs....

Does the PS3 come with a DVD rewinder? If so, I might buy one.

/me laughs @ the DVD rewinder

I am a die hard sony fan so I'll probably stoop to buying the PS3...although I must protest... Bioshock should be multi-platform because of this sacrifice of spending too much money,(blu-ray technology or not...that's a freaking lot of money for a game system from a company that has a history of their systems mysteriously shutting down after a couple years...) Someone hack the system! Make Bioshock PS3 compatible! lol

sorry guys....I didn't know how to make the link open in a new window... :( But at least it doesn't navigate away from the page. Feel free to CM me on how to do it in the future...or I'll just look it up someday I suppose, heh

I will either get a Wii or the 360, I've never owned a sony machine, not really sure why either, I don't think I have a vendetta against them or anything, just was never that interested. The PS3 looks like a major flop though, kinda funny that a major corporation like Sony would flub this bad on a product. I guess they just count on people like ^ the guy who posted right before me, to buy whatever they make regardless of the quality. Anyone with any sense will not simply buy something out of brand loyalty.

Brand loyalty is what marketers count on - that and image. Sony has established themselves as a high quality brand through the many many sectors of electronics they are in. Also here in America marketers know that price is not the bottom line the majority of people evaluate products on, although it is a consideration. Either way I will just stick with a gaming computer instead of a gaming console :D

if i want to play final fantasy 13 then i have too and i will

If you bought that DVD rewinder, Beee, I also have a great deal on some swampland in Florida for you! ;)

As for the Blu-Ray hardware being some sort of bargain, Zog, just how many people out there really want to buy a Blu-Ray player? Consumers have already replaced their VHS collections with DVD copies, so do you really think the public wants to ditch DVDs and start over again so soon?

And let's not forget about Sony's DRM protections built into the hardware, much less the recent screwups from other Sony products crippled by DRM software.

IA, Blu-Ray machines will be compatible with current generation DVD... That has nothing to do with the new format. A new format is _never_ inherently backwards compatible -- it is up to equipment makers to decide what kind of goodies they build into their products. Current CD and DVD formats are far too popular not to have their readability built in.

Blu-Ray FAQ (answering questions such as compatibility) can be found here.

Sure, a new format means studios and such will make new "must have" editions of discs, and stupid people will buy them. That's not Sony's fault nor the fault of a new format. That phenomenon is based on pure greed by folks like Disney and the blazingly ignorant people who buy into such crap.

Blu-Ray will in no way force anyone to upgrade their entire DVD collection.

IA, Blu-Ray machines will be compatible with current generation DVD... That has nothing to do with the new format. A new format is _never_ inherently backwards compatible -- it is up to equipment makers to decide what kind of goodies they build into their products. Current CD and DVD formats are far too popular not to have their readability built in.

-Sut, notice I never mentioned that the BR hardware isn't backwards compatible. That's not what I'm talking about.

Sure, a new format means studios and such will make new "must have" editions of discs, and stupid people will buy them. That's not Sony's fault nor the fault of a new format. That phenomenon is based on pure greed by folks like Disney and the blazingly ignorant people who buy into such crap.

-Sony's not exactly innocent in this matter, considering the content protection systems they built into the hardware. Sony knows exactly what the content providers want, and they're supplying hardware to match those desires.

Blu-Ray will in no way force anyone to upgrade their entire DVD collection.

-Maybe until production of DVD content shifts to BR content.

IA, true, you never mentioned machine compatibility -- hence my comment about the formats _themselves_ actually never being backwards compatible. Actually, I should have said "rarely", as it is possible to make a new format that data-wise is simply a slight addition to the previous data structure, thereby allowing the previous format implementation to use the new format. That all depends on the underlying implementation (and depends on it being relatively simple).

Yes, Sony is every bit as "evil" as Disney in my previous viewpoint...I couldn't possibly agree more. I just like singling out Disney because so many people fall for their crap because they are supposedly a good, wholesome, for-the-kids operation. I don't like anything that, to me, seems kid-centric, and Disney's success smacks of it. They cater to children and many parents blindly bend over backwards no matter how lame or downright shady Disney's practices get. Staggered releases of old videos to generate artificial demand? Extension of copyright time limits? Lame. (and yes, they are far from the only corporation doing it -- Sony is probably worse. *smile*)

And yes, once everything shifts to the new standard and old media wears out, then one may have to purchase something new (or use backups one has made -- that's "fair use", and it's legal). The first CD I ever bought is now more than 12 years old (bought it used, so it could be even older), and it still plays fine in my relatively new DVD/CD/MP3 player. So, I'm not too worried about continued support for CD and DVD. That technology is so cheap and easy to add-on that vendors have almost zero reason to ever stop implementing it.

/me already has the 360 and laughs in the face of the silly little girly boy known as the PS3.


I personally think it won't be worth the price point at all and it's ridiculous that they are selling for $200 more than the 360. This is going to injure their warmachine in the new console war that the 360 has already started their own campaign on.

Wii here I come......

Anyone here see the Super Smash Bros. Brawl video?

http://tinyurl.com/o5j6x

That's insane...

I don't believe that for a second. If that were even remotely legal or possible, why wouldn't the RIAA and MPAA have done that _ages_ ago. No way Sony can stop me from selling something I paid for. At worst, I can "give" the item to someone and then they "give" me some money because they like my pleasant smile...

Second selling can't be controlled because it can't be proven. IANAL, and hope someone will correct me if I am wrong about that.

If second-selling is wrong (and can be enforced to be wrong), then what if I genuinely give the game to someone as a gift and later they buy me lunch? Are the Sony police going to crash through the window, trying to prove that was a seller/buyer exchange? Like I said, I don't believe it for a second.

And if they tie games to systems (meaning I wouldn't even be able to take my copy of the game to a friend's house, or play it if my PS3 got stolen), then they will die. Simple as that. Sony will add another nail in the coffin of entirely bone-head moves and I will be very, very glad to see it happen.

Sut, while I agree with you totally, you missed the real point of the article. Sony is not letting stores that sell used games to cut into their profits by selling used PS3 games. I'm sure you can still give a game as a gift legally. I'm sure it's not going to be an issue if you borrow your friend's games. I highly doubt that you'll be buying a secondhand game at EB Games, or even off of ebay.com though. I wouldn't blame Sony for doing that. It's still crazy... Crazy as in why didn't they think of that sooner. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to be able to buy a used game most times, but it certainly sucks for the distributor of the game because they're cut out on that whole portion of the profit. Of course, business is business and someone is going to get shafted-- the video games stores. Oh well.

P.S. I've heard from another source that this whole thing was debunked as false. You can't believe everything you read on the internet... Time will tell what the truth is.

The way they were rumored to implement it _would_ have been harder to get around...keying a game to a specific PS3 unit... That would also be the death-knell for Sony, which is why I figured it was mythical.

I totally understand why a corporation would want to do such a thing -- hey, free money! In fact, Disney gets away with it all the time (they just use slimy means that ignorant folk flock to). I just disagree with it and will fight tooth and nail (that usually means just calling the people who fall for it "stupid") to try to stop it from working...

By the way, I seriously doubt Sony has the clout to prevent it happening with big vendors either. The basic rule for a company's downward spiral has been proven over and over again: "Pride comes before a fall". That's why Sony won't do it. They have too much actual competition to deal with to try pulling such a stunt. Even _I_ would buy a 360 instead of buying into this Sony nonsense, and I despise Microsoft's business practices.

Sony refuted that rumor days ago.

There's lots of excellent reasons not to get a PS3 (well, 600 of them...), no need to invent more. :)

i wish I had time to sit around and play a console like when I was in school or unemployed. if i had the free time, id def buy it asap. like i did with the nintendo, snes, saturn, gamecube, ps, ps2, xbox and 360. so many good times wasted on those consoles!