The new UC (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 2:22 AM EDT

My UC is now (89), not quite sure what weapon size that works out to be. I was doing a max of 50-55K damage per hit.


Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized Eddie Dean [299028]
Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized Eddie Dean [291096]

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 2:24 AM EDT

Oh.My.God. :D

Vaynard [Fees Dirt Cheap] June 30 2006 2:24 AM EDT

Whoa, big damage with no weapon! Kudos to you for using UC!

[T]Vestax June 30 2006 2:31 AM EDT

I think I should be afraid, very afraid.

Nerevas June 30 2006 4:10 AM EDT

Jigorokano Familiar anyone?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 4:13 AM EDT

I dropped my HGs and HoE, I now have a strength of 264,030/20 (from ToA only) and Unarmed Combat: 418,729/337,685 (53).

I'm landing blows around 150K per hit.

That's three times more than I used to, with about 25 off my wepaon and 100K or so off my Strength.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 4:15 AM EDT

Actually I'm hitting around 200K (per hit) on zero AC targets.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 30 2006 4:34 AM EDT

I hit Sut for around 200k with what used to be a x100 morg...remind me again how this isn't a bug.

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 4:36 AM EDT

UC is looking better than ever with these changes. If a normal tank can't hit you they can't hurt you.....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 4:37 AM EDT

:D I tried to hit Sute to see how much my UC did to him and got;

Joe's Fireball hit Violet Bier of Sorrows [1068439]

In the first round. ;)

Lumpy Koala June 30 2006 4:41 AM EDT

wow new UC rocks, I tried hitting you to see how much it is... you are making larger damage than my 600k CoC

Violet Bier of Sorrows crushed Little Dot III [233051] x3


ATH-W5000's Cone of cold hit Violet Bier of Sorrows [207492]

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 4:42 AM EDT

This is with my lowering my Str and UC effect from what I used to have. :)

But I really expect it's a bug.

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 4:43 AM EDT

UC's damage has always been a little better than most people realise purely down to multi strikes. But this does seem a little extreme.

And this is me talking, one of UC's biggest fans.... I wonder where it's actually going to end up.....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 4:43 AM EDT

Oh, with my original stats, I was land ing 300K hits 3 to 4 times per round.

That's more than a level 3 Mil FB! ;)

Flamey June 30 2006 4:44 AM EDT

nice. it was needed anyway.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 4:46 AM EDT

A bit over the top for only 350K UC, a Pair of HGs/HoE and a ToA though. ;)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] June 30 2006 4:50 AM EDT

Well now my damage is through the roof as well...I dunno what to think.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 4:51 AM EDT

:( Nov, I had hoped with your post, that my UC damage was bugged. I really hope physical damage as a whole hasn't been increased this much. :(

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 4:55 AM EDT

Well. I'm doing 100k per hit with a 98 UC. That's no different to what I did before......

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 5:02 AM EDT

No Wai!

Who are you attacking? I'm doing more that that with less Str and less UC...

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 5:03 AM EDT

I'm seeing wildly differing results. Against some people I'm hitting for about 120k per strike. But against ToE people I'm hitting for 10% of that. Maybe there's been some tweaking to endurance as well?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 5:04 AM EDT

Try someone with zero AC. With UC of 43;

Violet Bier of Sorrows crushed Doc [135411]
Violet Bier of Sorrows draws strength from his weapon! [307]
Doc's Guardian Angel smote Violet Bier of Sorrows (513)
Violet Bier of Sorrows crushed Doc [182863]
Violet Bier of Sorrows crushed Doc [153966]

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 5:05 AM EDT

Ok, I just hit the same guy and got around 300k per strike. I really think either UC is buggy now or Jon has adjusted defense and is yet to tell us....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 5:06 AM EDT

Versus Storage Vault II (Has a ToE on first minion);

Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized an obsidian crystal [60896]
Violet Bier of Sorrows draws strength from his weapon! [6]
Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized an obsidian crystal [87031]
Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized an obsidian crystal [62337]

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 5:06 AM EDT

And 165 AC... ;)

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 5:08 AM EDT

Ok, Negator who I was hitting for 100k per strike, well now I'm hitting for 300k per strike. Something is definitely weird with

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 5:15 AM EDT

Versus Negator;

Violet Bier of Sorrows crunched Guinglain [150805]
Violet Bier of Sorrows draws strength from his weapon! [27037]
Guinglain's Guardian Angel smote Violet Bier of Sorrows (86142)
Violet Bier of Sorrows crushed Guinglain [200619]
Violet Bier of Sorrows draws strength from his weapon! [24424]
Guinglain's Guardian Angel smote Violet Bier of Sorrows (65486)
Violet Bier of Sorrows pulverized Guinglain [162325]

200K with half your UC and 100K less str than you. :)

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 5:18 AM EDT

With a retrain to UC for the day my fightlist still needs sorting out but my target audience has just climbed in score. The top of my list was around 1.3 mill. Now it's 1.5 mill....

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 5:19 AM EDT

And that's without any ranged or VA and a pr of less than 600k!

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 5:24 AM EDT

But look at this: against Thero who has an EC that sends my strength to -49k.

Jack Crow bruised Mokoca [81]
Jack Crow bruised Mokoca [79]

Surely that can't be right? Negative strength and I still do some damage? Although a base weapon does damage even with base ST doesn't it....

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 5:29 AM EDT

Nice catch! :)

I've unequipped most my armour, and my score has climbed by about 150K, more if I could be bothered to hunt out a higher fightlist. :)

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 5:36 AM EDT

mmm. Ranged damage has gone through the roof in some cases. If I had a large ELB on JC I think I'd be able to take on much higher teams that I'm doing right now....

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 6:31 AM EDT

Just to sum up: I'm seeing different results to GL, but this is what I'm seeing.

UC of 98. Hits are varying between 80 when my st is -49k all the way to 350k. I'm getting a lot of low end strikes 20-30k against high AC/ToE teams. The highest end strikes are against naked teams. It would seem that AC/ToE teams are reducing my strikes by as much as 80% in some cases but that's just guesswork and feel not going by the numbers fully. I'm puzzled by ability to do damage with -49k st though....

Flamey June 30 2006 6:44 AM EDT

stuff(lol) happens :)

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] June 30 2006 8:54 AM EDT

My score has been able to shoot back up recently using my JKF/VB tank strat :)

QBsutekh137 June 30 2006 10:11 AM EDT

Thank goodness for ranged rounds and a huge FB, otherwise I'm pretty sure I would just be crying right now...

/me continues to pump FB and FB only... (really, what is the point of HP?)

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] June 30 2006 10:27 AM EDT

Sut you may well find that out once everyone remembers about that ELB they have had lying around.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 10:30 AM EDT



We really don't want to go back to CB1's days of ELB+BG+Archery domination, do we? ;)

QBJohnnywas June 30 2006 10:31 AM EDT

Before the day is out VA will work in ranged

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 10:32 AM EDT

Oh no....

QBBarzooMonkey June 30 2006 10:35 AM EDT

I just wanted to see what the changes would do to the Dogs with full gear (especially (113) UC). To reiterate what Borderliner said, I have 2 ELBs and an AxBow in ranged, and the battle lasted 4 rounds, so the only melee round Joe made it to was:

Sensei Boopadoo crushed Joe [267297]
Joe's Guardian Angel smote Sensei Boopadoo (19191)
Sensei Boopadoo pulverized Joe [243427]
Sensei Boopadoo crushed Joe [184542]
Sensei Boopadoo cries "Dogs of War won't capitulate!"

QBsutekh137 June 30 2006 10:36 AM EDT

Yes, I expect a shift to shorter battles, all ranged damage. We can probably shorten max number of rounds to 10 now. *smile*

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 10:37 AM EDT

CoC and Decay lose out. :( You'll never be able to last into that 6/7th round to get CoC back up to par to FB/MM damage.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] June 30 2006 10:42 AM EDT

I think we are going to see these damage levels drop down considerably before the day is out, perhaps even as far as what we saw pre change. The only difference being that it will be easier for tanks to keep up with DD damage/ ToE levels in the future.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 10:43 AM EDT

:) Physical damage needed that. CB had got to the stage the curve and Str and wepaon upgrade costs stunted physical damage when compared to high level DD spells.

QBsutekh137 June 30 2006 11:37 AM EDT

I thought that was because physical blows had the multiple hits going for them, but I guess it still works out the same if you compare average damage per round...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] June 30 2006 12:19 PM EDT

Gone back to UC after the testing, back to (43). I'm doing more damage than I used to. about twice as much. Hits around 90/100K. :)

th00p July 4 2006 7:02 PM EDT

the (UC) number was nerfed during Jon's experiments. Too lazy to read through the post to see if it was mentioned, but mine dropped from (72) to (61). Jon's response was that the (UC) number no longer counts as the damage modifier, and I don't know how it translates into the to-hit on the "weapon".
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