negative dex.... (in General)

velvetpickle July 28 2006 10:32 AM EDT

GL's recent tests brought up a good question (in my mind anyway)

He was doing some testing with a BoNE: [92x115] (+33). He is using a base dex on the tank equipping the BoNE.

In his displayed test results he got a double strike 19/20 rounds. His character has a dex or 19/20. And is using an EC of 36k. The character he was fighting has a low enough dex that -36k puts him in the negatives.

I have been told by some players that negative stats are viewed as 0, and some that they are viewed as 20. So my question is this.... would a 19 point dex differnce (if negatives are treated as 0) and/or a +33 PTH really grant a 95% chance of a second strike per round?

The wiki says that at equal dex there is only a 50% chance of landing a hit at all... so I find it hard to believe that 19 points difference would ensure a single hit and add a 95% chance of a second, I also find it hard to believe that a +33 would give this much of a chance so I find myself questioning the effects of negative dex. Any thoughts?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 28 2006 10:36 AM EDT

:) I did notice that on fights where I had been reduced to negative dex (ususally though EC) I was still always hitting once a round, every round. If both myself and my opponent are at zero dex, I should have a 37.5% (unsing a 2 handed weapon) to land a single hit, increase by my +33 pth.

If stats do go down to zero, and I think they do, otherwise there's no penalty to haing a 16/20 dex (from heavy armour), and chance to hit is based off of my target having zero dex, maybe it counts my 19 as being 'infinitely' larger and large enough to hit the cap on two dex based hits.

Only thing I can think of... ;)

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] July 28 2006 10:37 AM EDT

I think no matter how much negative DX is displayed the game treats it as 0, it might be 1 though.

Rubberduck[T] [Hell Blenders] July 28 2006 10:42 AM EDT

VP convert that 19 point difference in opposed DX into a % difference!

QBPit Spawn [Abyssal Specters] July 28 2006 10:46 AM EDT

negative st would also be nice to know about, since st gives some physical dmg resist, does negative st mean they take more dmg from phys dmg?

velvetpickle July 28 2006 10:58 AM EDT

not too good with maths..... would that be 1900% more 19/1

Miandrital July 28 2006 12:30 PM EDT

Click Me!
So basically he has 36,019 dex, and the guy he is attacking has 20 dex. This would certainly make double hits possible every round.

bartjan July 28 2006 1:18 PM EDT

Miandrital, I do read that post differently than you do...

Miandrital July 28 2006 1:43 PM EDT

I am just repeating what Conan said, about halfway down the post

bartjan July 28 2006 1:54 PM EDT

Conveniently ignoring all what is written after it ;)

Nerevas July 28 2006 2:01 PM EDT

Negative stats act as zero (or maybe 1). 19 dex against 1 or 0 does grant maximum hit rate.

velvetpickle July 28 2006 6:06 PM EDT

This was in the post under that link..... does it seem to make sense or no?

***ok, so if i good understand:

***you : dx 50k
***opponent : dx 20 - 50k from EC ==> -49980

***system revise DX to
***you : 99980
***opponent : 20

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 28 2006 6:20 PM EDT

Last post in the thread.

"I asked Jon, and he said it never goes negative. It goes down to 0, or 1, whatever is used for the calculations (I assume it's 1).

So, there is no difference between 1 and -250,000

--Todd-Spydah, August 5 2004 7:37 AM EDT"

{Quitter}Gah July 28 2006 10:44 PM EDT

Still, how do you kill other tanks that have lots of dex?

Josh [Cult of the Valaraukar] July 29 2006 8:21 PM EDT

Gah, hit harder than them and GA will help.

{Quitter}Gah July 30 2006 1:22 AM EDT

How are you supposed to hit harder when you'd be doing single hits and they'd get triples to doubles?

velvetpickle July 30 2006 10:07 AM EDT

Try to kill them in Ranged... Big Elb,

train EC, Evasion, Haste, or your own Dex.

Use a BIG Pth weapon, or some DBs :)

There are lots of ways to deal with big Dex.

QBOddBird July 30 2006 10:09 AM EDT

...and don't forget the AxBow. ~_^
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