XP bug (or misunderstanding) (in General)
(This post was originally in the thread (well, 3rd thread) concerning my absolute dominance :) I didn't want it to get lost in all the discussion of my awesomeness, so please move comments on this potential XP problem over here.)
While I was double tapping Krang, I noticed that I was receiving quite a bit more XP than the battle summary stated. Anyone know anything about this? I should have documented it when I had the chance, but doing so now would require me to awaken the wrath of Krang once more.
Anyways, without actually stating many specific numbers other than totals, here's what happened: I fought Krang 43 times, with 13 wins and 7 draws. Victories gave me maybe 100-120 XP, losses gave maybe 0-30 XP, and I don't remember what the draws gave. I received no other XP from defending, and yet after the 43 battles, I had ~4,500 XP. After one double tap (one loss, one win), I compared my previous XP to my new XP, and it was a 282 XP difference.
Am I missing something here? Like hidden bonuses for being in the top 10? I'm aware of the removal of the reward penalty, but this seems like a bug.
And oh yeah, all XP figures are per minion.
Maybe something to do with the NUB bonus?
NUB and NCB boni are listed in the fight log correct?
The NUB bonus is applied to the XP earned and then shown as the actual amount of XP your minions receive in the battle summary. This was not the case here.
My apologies to Krang for attacking again, but I had to make sure what I stated previously is correct. Well, actually I had to do it twice since the first attempt was ruined by some defense XP. Here's what happened:
Loss: 11xp per minion
Loss: 12xp per minion
Win: 111xp per minion
Normally, I would assume this translates into 134xp per minion increase at home, but instead I received 247xp per minion. Maybe Jon could shed some light on this?
And don't worry, I'm not going to exploit this bug... I only exploit "bugs" :)
August 1 2006 4:09 PM EDT
Unless I'm mistaken, increases to rewards due to a clan bonus are not included in the rewards shown as received from the battle. Could this be it?
that's 113 xp from clan bonus...no way.
August 1 2006 4:12 PM EDT
Looking at your fightlist, you're getting attacked whilst you're attacking Krang. People are attacking you and losing, giving you extra rewards for that period of fighting.
It may be something else but do it again and see if that is actually the case....
Clan bonus is included in the displayed XP.
I ensured that I got no defense XP while getting the numbers, which is why I had to do it twice.
It seems to be a hidden amount of xp added after double tapping to kill someone.
3 minions starting xp per minion 2 2 0
Post battle stats display
1 loss 6 xp per minion 8 8 6
1 win 70 xp per minion 78 78 76
Actual xp at home page 125 125 123
wow, this bug goes back at least 3 years. maybe more. nice catch, Nymandus. :)
Wait, so what was the actual bug?
Were we all getting too much XP?
Just from double fights? *eyes bleeding with desire to know!!*
yes, extra xp from double fights was the bug
IOW the displayed amount was the amount you *should* have gotten.
August 1 2006 5:12 PM EDT
ummm QUESTION. Does this mean that, technically, someone with NUB could, not only match the strongest player, but by far outstrip them? And could have at any time until the fixing of the bug. Because they got extra xp and NUB was only calibrated based on what you "should" be getting?
I assume so. :) But no one really double taps that much do they?
August 1 2006 6:18 PM EDT
August 1 2006 6:20 PM EDT
Double tapping is worse than double dipping!
August 1 2006 6:34 PM EDT
I used to do the double tap so often and do you know what? I stopped because I managed to convince myself that I was losing rewards that way......
August 1 2006 6:50 PM EDT
Ah, I guess it's good that I'm not fighting much any more because I've long since known about this. Not that I thought it to be a bug, but instead just an unknown advantage given to those who double fight. I would like to thank all of you who wondered why I didn't mind losing to you some. The First wouldn't be where he is without you. ;)
Lol, you thought it was an "unknown advantage given to those who double fight". Seriously?
Admitting to exploiting an obvious bug? Can't say that's the wisest thing to do, but then again, I'm sure everyone appreciates the xp you donated to them. Also, the fact that fighting properly gives better average rewards (at least for me) and the CP hit made the bug pretty much worthless anyways , unless you don't mind taking advantage of clanmates to consistently fight artificially high. I guess that means I owe TI an apology for wasting ~100 CP today :)
August 1 2006 7:40 PM EDT
Ok, well, the bug wasn't that obvious seeing as it was around for 3 years. And just because I didn't think it was a bug, but instead a part of the game, doesn't mean I was exploiting anything.
Nymandus means it should have been obvious it was a bug to anyone who had discovered it and I agree. How you would assume it was a built in hidden bonus for those that double fight baffles me.
August 1 2006 7:53 PM EDT
I suppose I hadn't really thought it to be a big deal. That you would suggest I'm villainous for not thinking to cry foul is ludicrous. If I'm to pay a penalty for it then get it over with. I'm past caring.
August 2 2006 12:34 AM EDT
No worries, I did the same thing with draws, Mem.
Ah! Getting Draw rewards nerfed. :D I take pride in that. ;)
HUH was I exploiting a bug ? Never looked at my figures double tapping when you fight a guy till you beat him? Or when your finger bobbles like a twitch?
August 2 2006 6:31 AM EDT
I'd say leave Mem alone on this one. I suspect a few more people knew about this...otherwise I think we would have seen more people join in the thread. And at least Mem isn't keeping quiet about it.
But I'm imagining people sitting in corners muttering "You should have kept quiet Nymandus. Now I've lost my little secret".... ;)
That's not to say that people would knowingly exploit a bug of course. I would never suggest that. But some people may have thought it was a secret gift from Jon or Santa or the Easter Bunny. Yes. Something like that....
Must resist urge to go look at fight logs for people double tapping! >;)
Name and shame! :P
I never really understood why people would double tap me like madmen, but I'm assuming it will become a less used practice now. This goes both ways for me, since it means less free rewards, but also most likely slightly higher CPs as well as less fluctuation in my score.
My apologies to Mem if my post came off a little harsh... I was slightly intoxicated :)
I agree with Mem... If I had seen it prior to this thread, I would easily have thought it was supposed to be that way. You get a giant score hike for "double tapping", so I would not take it as odd to see that there was an XP "bonus". I would have given it the same amount of thought as "Will it rain, do you think?"
I think this was less a bug and more a relic of days gone by...
I remember documentation suggesting double attacking to gain better rewards...
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