Forging versus fighting (in General)

Kong Ming October 2 2006 4:22 AM EDT

I did a small experiment to find out whether its worth to hire a forger or to forge you gears youself.

I calculated the following:
Forging a BoTH (x): 23 BA per cycle.
nw increase after 23 BA: $16531 (inclusive of rpm 11.4%)
Blacksmith charges: $2346
Potential earnings from 23 BA: $11370 (Average earnings per BA: $494)
Total cost of potential earnings plus blacksmith charges: $13716

Charges for forger (at 70%): $11572
Savings from getting forger: $2144

On doing the sums, it is much cheaper to get a forger to do the forging than to forge yourself. I get to increase my MPR on my character and save money as well. So why be a forger in the first place?

Comments, anyone?

Dudster4 October 2 2006 4:25 AM EDT

well, if you don't plan to forge yourself who will?

Kong Ming October 2 2006 4:29 AM EDT

You can always hiring a forger who's bored with fighting ;)

DrAcO5676 [The Knighthood III] October 2 2006 4:45 AM EDT

The problem with your statistics are that they are only based off of a NUB character bonus. For us normal people it is a bit different when you don't have a bonus to your: Forging, Exp, and Money.

Zhakrin [Knights who say Ni] October 2 2006 4:54 AM EDT

For users without a NUB the calculation would be a little bit different. Assuming the same NW increase per BA.
NW increase: $16531
Blacksmith Charges: $2346
Potential earnings from 23 BA: $5184 (Average earnings per BA: $225)
Total cost of potential earnings plus blacksmith charges: $7530

Charges for forger (at 70%): $11572
Savings from getting forger: $-4042
note: the NW increase per Ba depends on a lot of factors, and therefore should be different, but for the sake of argument I kept it the same.

In this case it would be cheaper to do it yourself instead of hiring a forger.

bartjan October 2 2006 5:29 AM EDT

Draco, how would it be different? Everything is scaled according to the same bonus with NUB.

Only NCB is different, as there is no cash bonus. Does NCB get forge bonus?

Flamey October 2 2006 5:31 AM EDT

NCB only gets xp bonus, no forging bonus....

Kong Ming October 2 2006 6:17 AM EDT

But the problem is it will take more BA to do the same amount of nw increase, won't it? So it is still not viable unless you have a very large mpr character I supposed.

A Lesser AR of 15 [Red Permanent Assurance] October 2 2006 10:18 AM EDT

Best thing for you is to make those daily CPs.

Kong Ming October 2 2006 10:21 AM EDT

I'm not in a standard clan so making cp is not important. I guess mpr is important when it comes to forging. Anyone knows the efficiency of forgers at different mpr?

chuck1234 October 2 2006 11:24 AM EDT

Bottomline: when on NUB you fight, and use the blacksmith to upgrade items; once NUB is over, you will find it cheaper to upgrade items yourself through forging.

bartjan October 2 2006 11:35 AM EDT

No chuck, NUB has no effect on forge profitability.
Your MPR, that's an entire different story...

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 2 2006 11:37 AM EDT

I think I know what you're saying bart, but it's going to confuse some folks...

Karmic Mishap [Soup Ream] October 2 2006 1:33 PM EDT

Zhakrin is wrong earlier because he uses the same # for NW increase that Kong Ming does. Having the NUB means that Kong was able to forge way more in those 23 BA than is usual, so the NW increase for a non-NUB should be much less than 16.5k per 23 BA.

Zhakrin [Knights who say Ni] October 2 2006 3:28 PM EDT

KM, you are correct. I forgot about the NUB bonus to forging.

Thinking things over, Bart seems to be correct. NUB and non-NUB forging is equally profitable at the same MPR. The higher NW increase of the NUB forger is offset by the higher loss of earnings. If the NW increase is bigger when forging at a higher MPR, while the average earnings remain the same, there should be a theoretical turning point (in amount of MPR) at which forging would become cheaper than hiring a forger?

bartjan October 2 2006 3:31 PM EDT

Another way to look at this: are forgers asking the right rates for their work?

BlueWolf October 2 2006 11:17 PM EDT

not as smart as all of you guys, so go easy....

well, as far as it goes, i think they are right where they should be at 70-80% per job. because with the amount of BA they use, that would wear anyone's finger down. and it takes time, so i think they are doing good for rates.

QBOddBird October 2 2006 11:32 PM EDT

Blue, he's saying forgers may not be asking ENOUGH. Fighting offers a lot more per BA to the player than forging, profitability wise.
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