Ammo tests (in General)

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:10 PM EST

Okay, I'm going to start doing some testing on largely upgraded ammo to see the differences and how 'overpowered' some of them may be.
I'm going to need to start off by asking for a donation of a small stack of seeker bolts and a small stack of slayer bolts for upgrading, I will supply the standard bolts myself.
I use an axbow so any help with arrows and shots from other members would be much appreciated.
I'm planning on using x400 for each type of bolt to see the real effects and will be attacking small characters with no defense, preferably a 20ST and 20DX single minion character.

P.S. donations to help with the upgrades are also much appreciated, I am willing to spend cash on this experiment but I'm not a particularly rich player.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:12 PM EST

An Assassin's Crossbow [4x223] (+51) 4,801,895

Those are the stats of the xbow I will be using.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:17 PM EST

Ranger has kindly donated 100k to the tests but every 7x on standard bolts is 2k so any other people who would like to help out with gathering this information, it would be greatly appreciated.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:17 PM EST

*every 7x on a stack of 39 bolts

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:23 PM EST

I'm planning on actually carrying out these tests early tomorrow although with the costs to have a well rounded view I will be only upgrading to around x250.
I will initiate 3 attacks on each of 4 types of characters for each ammo type.
The first will be a base character, the 2nd a single mage, the third a single tank and finally a multiple minion team(although this may be difficult due to the nature of the axbow).
Should I borrow a large hxbow instead?

AdminNightStrike November 26 2006 8:28 PM EST

If you're evaluating just damage, then an Axbow will work fine. If you're evaluating to-hit, then obviously you can't use an Axbow. Vice Versa for Exbow / to-hit. An Hxbow would therefore allow you to evaluate both without bias.

AdminNightStrike November 26 2006 8:29 PM EST

I have a stack of 476 base slayer bolts. Will that help?

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:30 PM EST

Good point, the ammo should hit the same minion so axbows overriding will make the tests fairer with the seekers involved, the seeking ability is something extra which shouldn't be involved in the damage test, if their damage comes too close to the others then the seeking ability would make it overpowered.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:37 PM EST

Ok guys, the standard bolts are upgraded and ready for tomorrow mornings tests, we just need small stacks of seekers and slayers ready for then.
Please help out the cause. I probably need around 60 of each type in total to withstand all 4 situational tests.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:42 PM EST

And huge thanks to Ranger for donating 300k to the cause, along with my own investments we wont need any more cash but I have no way of gaining ammo so it is in desperate need.

Because I would like it relatively urgently tonight so that I can prepare and conduct the tests in the morning I am offering 5k to anyone that sends a batch over.

AdminNightStrike November 26 2006 8:47 PM EST

Let's try again: "I have a stack of 476 base slayer bolts. Will that help?"

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 8:49 PM EST

Sorry I didn't see, yes that would be great, I'll obviously have to use some of them up first but thank you for the offer and I'll work on it.
Do you still want the 5k I have now offered?
Please send them to Elven_Kings

AdminNightStrike November 26 2006 8:51 PM EST

Get that. Fast.

AdminNightStrike November 26 2006 8:57 PM EST

I bid on it at 52 seconds left. Just let me finish it and I'll send it to you. I also realized I have a hxbow x11 +10 on one of my characters. The hxbow will allow you to evaluate the benefit of PTH on ammo simultaneously.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 9:01 PM EST

Thanks to some help from Ranger I have decided to keep this simple and just evaluate the damage modifier since that is the object of the exercise.
The + on the ammo will stay at 0 and I'll be relying on the + from the axbow along with dex.
I shall simply be avoiding evasion, ToE's and other axbows/exbows for the purposes of the test.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 9:17 PM EST

All we need now is seekers guys, I know they aren't commonly bought and used by the xbow users but surely someone has some?

AdminNightStrike November 26 2006 9:19 PM EST

Oh, well, I went through with the hxbow auction, traded Biara my x11 +10 for the x10 +10 that was auctioned by muon. I just sent that to Elven_Kings.

AdminNightStrike November 26 2006 9:20 PM EST

You can get Seekers in just a few minutes if you wait patiently.

[P]Mitt November 26 2006 9:53 PM EST

rented by Zoglog;
back in 3 days 12:39:51

if you need it for more than the next three days, I'll be glad to loan it to you for free for 3 day increments (I'll pay the xfer costs).

Just get the tests over with because the axbow is in the process of being sold - my buyer has 2.2M left to pay (he has about 800k, but finishing up some big forge jobs). So I'm thinking get the tests done in the next week or so and you should be fine :)

AdminNightStrike November 26 2006 10:06 PM EST

The test should really be done with a base bow, which is why I sent over the x10 +10 hxbow. It's as close to base as we'll be able to find, and 10 is a nice round number.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 10:19 PM EST

Thanks Mitt but I'm going to do them tomorrow so you can get it to your buyer quicker :)
NS, the good thing about the axbow is that I will always hit the same minion when I fight the multiple minion teams, I want to currently discard the seeking ability from the ammo for now to create a 'damage only' test.
The multiple minion thing will mostly be to carry on for when explosive shots are also in consideration but we may as well keep all tests for all ammo and keep it fair in aiming for the same minion.
It would be difficult to gain accurate differences in damage if we used a hxbow as the slayers and normal ammo would hit the front minion while the seekers would hit the mage.
Thanks anyway but maybe those sorts of tests will come at a later date.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 26 2006 11:32 PM EST

All 3 sets of bolts are up to x250 and ready for tomorrows tests.
I'll create a new thread for the results along with a link to each character I fought.
I will be using my character Elven_Kings and leave all stats as they currently are until the tests are fully complete.
I can just feel the tension in the CB air :)
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