This is why all non-NCBers should buy their BA (in General)

TheHatchetman December 7 2006 2:32 PM EST

I logged on with roughly 600k on my main character 'The Hatchetman'.
After spending my full 160 BA, I started buying my buyable BA. After buying and using it all (to fight), I now have "Cash: $662,209". Granted, I got up to ~720k after spending my first 160, but I still managed massive clan points, along with roughly four times the XP i would have gained spending my 160 alone. End result: Still made money (albeit not as much), massive CP, and tons of extra XP.

I'm sure someone is going to look at me and say "You've got the NUB, your income is way beyond that of non-NUBers!" But my BA also costs well over that of people playing without a bonus. Anyone running an NCB at the moment will suffer a loss to their cash should they choose to buy full BA everyday, but thus is the cost of making a run for the top...

Just my 2 cents.

Angel of Death [Hell Blenders] December 7 2006 2:36 PM EST

well im using a non NUB - NCB char and i must say i end up a day with around 120k and after i bought all my ba i end up with around 40-50k

QBsutekh137 December 7 2006 2:38 PM EST

I am not seeing how you could be making money. That just doesn't seem possible.

My BA costs $452 for each (no bonus), and I am lucky to see $250 dollar rewards even on decently scoring opponents.

I think you need to check your figures more rigorously before saying you "still made money".

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] December 7 2006 2:39 PM EST

I had a little over 2mill in cash a couple of days ago, used almost all my normal BA and bought every BA and I'm currently on 2.5mill, yes it is pretty worth it if you can use mre than a couple of sets of BA.

TheHatchetman December 7 2006 2:42 PM EST

I wasn't saying i profited from buying BA. If you read closer, you will see that I simply said that I was still logging off with more money than i came on with. Meaning, you will make less money than you could, but you wouldn't LOSE anything as you still have more money upon exit than you do upon entry, and anybody able to log on twice a day should definitely have no problem.

On another note, Sut you need to hire more minions and own the top...

QBsutekh137 December 7 2006 2:45 PM EST

Let's be very clear here: Yes, you can end up with a net amount of positive cash in a whole day, ostensibly augmenting your loss from buying BA with the gains from normally accrued BA.

But there is absolutely no way one can state: "I bought all of my BA, burned it within a half hour or so, and had more cash from rewards when done than when I started." It's simple math. If your average battle rewards are $200 in cash and the cost of your BA is $450 in cash, there is no way you can make money off that.

If you DO end up with more cash after burning your purchased BA, there are only three things I can think of to cause that:

-- You burn your purchased BA over several hours, such that your cash is growing also from naturally accruing BA fight rewards.
-- Someone is farming you very, very poorly and giving you lots and lots of wins during the time you are fighting.
-- Money was transferred to you during that time via rentals, auctions, another person, etc.

QBsutekh137 December 7 2006 2:56 PM EST

I see what you are saying, and you are right - non-NCB includes NUBers and NORMers, and for those, you will definitely still make money if you can log in enough. I would say you need more than just two sets of 160 to offset the BA cost, at least I do. Then again, I spend my purchased BA during high-experience times too, which really wallops the cash. Ammo cost can drain the cash flow too, so YMMV.

And Hatchet, as soon as you send me 60 million bucks, I'll buy two more minions. *smile*

Caedmon [Revenge of the Forgers] December 7 2006 2:59 PM EST

"On another note, Sut you need to hire more minions and own the top..."

Interesting advice from a nub...unless you're not that new...unless you're a...

BURN THE MULTI! BURN THE...what, nurse? Time for my meds? Why, yes, I do like the red pills...what was I saying? :)

QBJohnnywas December 7 2006 3:04 PM EST

I wish I could afford to buy BA. NCB BA costs really suck.

Still can't complain too much, I'm making up to 200k per day, some of which comes from you attacking me Hatch. Keep it up!


AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 7 2006 3:05 PM EST

Buying BA on CB1 during big money time used to make money...never seen anyone but a NUB get close to it here...

AdminJonathan December 7 2006 4:08 PM EST

"big money time" didn't change... you generally couldn't make money with it on CB1 either

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 7 2006 4:10 PM EST

the ability to use items to boost rewards sure did...but that's not a bad thing...

horseguy001 December 7 2006 10:26 PM EST

Near the end of my NUB I was buying every bit of BA I had, and was still making about 2 mil/week. These days I barely scrounge up enough cash to buy my BA during wacky exp times and be able to rent some corns.

Relic December 7 2006 10:42 PM EST

I just bought my BA for the day.

Before buying BA I had roughly 9,660,000 CB2.
After buying BA I had 9,164,064 (861 per BA * 576 BA)

After fighting and burning all the BA I now have 9,227,557

So, in essence my BA cost me 432,443 after fight rewards and 495,936 before. So, I only made 63,493 burning all my BA.

I fight well above my PR and max my rewards. The NCB BA costs are just about at the ridiculous stage. Especially when NUB chars are buying full BA and still netting 2 mil a day.

I am all for being fair to the new guys and giving them a chance at the top, I am not however cool with NUB players selling massive amounts of CB2 to us old timers merely to make some cash and then move on. The older players cannot compete in the market or with upgrades to our gear because of NCB BA costs and normal money gains.

And yes I fully realize the advantage that I have had by being here longer and being able to put NW into my stuff over time, however it took a LONG time for that to take place without USD involvement. AND, any older player who comes back after a hiatus (like me) has to spend enormous amounts of USD to start a NCB character and compete with brand new players.

I am not sure what I want to happen if anything, sometimes a good rant is just that a good rant.

TheHatchetman December 7 2006 11:10 PM EST

for the record... I have no intentions of selling CB cash at any point. I don't plan to be in the running for the top, as it would be nearly impossible at this point, but I am going to use the bonus granted to gain a nice foothold in the game. Also, about me being too new to know about how Sutekh could hire 2 minions and be at the top, the idea was pointed out in chat by Bast.

Flamey December 8 2006 3:54 AM EST

Sut, I can manage buying all BA and still have a positive net at the of the end. I'm pretty sure you can't do it with 2 sets of BA, I do 3 and I don't get all that much profit.

TheHatchetman December 8 2006 4:14 AM EST

I do it with on set of BA. I average $650 per win, and my BA costs me ~$800 each. buying 576 of this costs me a little over 460k. 576 + my original 160 = 736. 736 BA * $650 per win = $478,400. So I, at the very least, break even. That's if it only takes me 10 minutes or less. Buying/spending full BA usually takes me about an hour and 20-30 minutes. That's 8 or 9 BA refreshes (which is another 64-72 BA for me), which means another ~$41k - 47k. Add the lower end (~$41k) to what my total gain was (~478k) and you get roughly $519k. Subtract what i payed for BA (~$460k), and you get a net ammount of ~$59k more than you started with...

And I say 2 full sets because I realize my fight rewards are higher than average as most of the people on my list have score of over twice my PR.

winner winner December 8 2006 7:45 AM EST

i make 50-100k if i buy all my BA

Drama [Just for fun] December 8 2006 7:59 AM EST

Some of my battle gives me an higher reward of money than my BA cost. My BA cost me 683$ and I earn You are awarded $824 and your Minions receive 150 exp each. All thanks to the NUB bonus.

Flamey December 8 2006 8:12 AM EST

Belle, I don't think that's happened to me before.

and I think that's safe to say for a great majority of us, I can achieve it on Money-time, but that's different.

horseguy001 December 8 2006 11:00 AM EST

I remember during mu NUB when I was fighting scores almost 3 times my PR I was making rediculous amounts of money. During regular time it was 800-1000 a fight, and I think my highest during money time was something like 1532. Crazy, definetly miss those days :D

QBOddBird December 8 2006 11:09 AM EST

Jeez....I want 1.5k monetary rewards on my moneytime fights too ='(

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 8 2006 11:14 AM EST

Glory...look at it this way, think of the amount you've spent on BA already here with other chars, the NCB has to replicate that expenditure somehow...

Adminedyit [Superheros] December 8 2006 11:45 AM EST

NCB BA costs are brutal! At the end of my NCB Ba cost was 1148 each. I was spending over 1m every 2 days on BA. If you want to run an NCB for all it's worth have a good strat idea and a BIG nest egg. But now that my NCB has ended I am enjoying making $ from buying BA. Granted not a lot but I fight enough "free" sets of BA that I come out ahead at the end of the day.

QBsutekh137 December 8 2006 12:36 PM EST

Yes, I would estimate total buy of NCB BA for all four months would be something around 30 million now.

horseguy001 December 8 2006 12:45 PM EST

Thats crazy!

Although on the other side, without investing any money at all, you can make enough to buy BA during wacky exp time and surpass 1 mil mpr with little difficulty. I have not hit 1 mil yet but I have ~2 months left to do ~400k mpr.

What mpr would you hit buying every little bit of BA?

QBsutekh137 December 8 2006 1:09 PM EST

I would guess around 1.6 million right now, or higher. Bast reached around 1.55 million with some BA buying, some staggered minion buying, and getting great clan rewards.

If you stick single minion, use RoE, find targets, and join a nice clan, heavy fighting plus all BA purchases could land you close to 1.75 million, I should think. Then, invest another 30 million in a minion and be close to 2 million MPR. *smile*

AdminNightStrike December 9 2006 1:45 AM EST

"If you stick single minion"

That won't change your total MPR at the end, unless for some reason you think that single minions get better rewards, or are somehow stronger at a given MPR and can fight higher.

TheHatchetman December 9 2006 2:22 AM EST

If you hire three minions at the end of your NCB, you will gain massive ammounts of MPR from the new minions. At least I think that's what he was getting at...

winner winner December 28 2006 6:56 PM EST

hey peoples i'm fighitng with Black Rose and i make around $300 average a fight and my BA costs $321

Miandrital December 28 2006 7:12 PM EST

Talk about a blast from the past.

BTW, with regards to the topic, I make around 100k per day after buying all my BA.

QBsutekh137 December 28 2006 10:55 PM EST

NS is right, in the context of my statement, being single-minion has nothing to do with the original MPR goal. But it does have something to do with buying into more MPR, as Hatchet says.... *smile*

AdminNightStrike December 29 2006 2:16 AM EST

Ok, point taken. But MPR purchases are never massive. They're only 10% of the XP of your largest minion. How much MPR is that really going to add?

I wish we had better data on calculating MPR.... we'd need a single minion with a lot of XP to really narrow it down..... possibly someone who's been keeping track of it as he built his character, and who might buy another minion at some point.
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