dex and pth questions (in General)

well I thought I had all of this figured out, but now I don't know :D

I have spent the last bit of time getting my VB up to +75, under the impression that it would help make up for the lower dex I am going to have on my tank. Recently I found out that I could have a +0 weapon, and still land a single hit if my dex matched my oppenents.

Is the opposite true? Could I have a +100 VB and not land any hits because an oppenent has quite a bit more dex then me? If thats true I sure wish I put all that money into the x instead of the + haha

i've had an opponent lower my dx into the negatives and still land hits based on pure PTH

The reason I have only 100k DX on my UC tank is because he has 130+ PTH so I don't use DX except to hit 'Chanters/mages/walls more often.

1) You'll need a weapon at +100, so don't worry.

2) At negative DX, your DX functions as if it were zero (or 1).

ok

Well then my worst fears are put to rest then, no wasted money :D

There are two portions to hitting.

DEX is first. At equal DEX to your opponent, you have a chance (based on weapon handedness) to land a single hit. Increasing your DEX over your opponent will give you a greater chance of landing this single hit, increasing to a chance to land a second hit.

PTH is next. PTH gives a percentage chance of landing a hit, which is added to your DEX chance. But there is no limit to the amount of hits PTH can give.

For example. Due to DEX sizes assume you have a 75% chance to land a single hit. if you had a +24 weapon, you would have a 99% chance to hit (for one hit) in every round.

If your DEX was reduced to giving you a zero chance to hit, a +24 weapon would still give you 24% to land a single hit in each round.

At least I think this is how it works. ;)

seems like people would miss a lot, if that were the case, wouldn't it, GL?

How so?

a 300k DX tank trying to hit a 500k DX tank, it still hits doesn't it? and wouldn't the PTH have to be massive on the 300k DX tank? if it works like that?

maybe, I'm not getting it, but its late, fighting to keep eyes open!!

No idea the actualy amount, but the 300K DEX Tank would have something like a natural 30% chance per round to land a single hit versus the other Tank. Weapon PTH then adds to that.

30% so lets say 50 PTH, which costs quite a bit, might I add. 80% CTH, I could of sworn I hit bigger tanks every round, come to think, the only time I miss is, against Evasion.


and this is horseguy's thread, his evasion chanter had something like (90) effect, and I was hitting him, with 450k DX and 50 PTH.

I believe those were the numbers..

Yeah, but I think your EC was big enough to knock my evasion down alot of levels. Wasn't it around 300k? Plus it was boosted 30% because of my AoF...ouch

I suppose as long as I hit at least once around I should be happy :D

my EC shouldn't of affected your Evasion at all.

unless there's something that I'm missing, your Evasion should of stayed the same regardless of EC?

Your EC takes the defensive DEX from evasion down which helps you hit him better. I think thats what he was referring to.

does EC reduce the defensive DX granted by Evasion?

I didn't know that, so much for not being able to hurt a skill :)

yeah there was a post not too long ago by John that stated EC does indeed hurt evasion by lowering your dex into the negatives.

It doesn't affect the actual skill part, it affects the dexterity granted equal to the level of evasion trained. The PTH reduction is still the same no matter how high the EC is, it just makes it less necessary to need PTH to hit someone.