dex and pth questions (in General)


horseguy001 December 29 2006 5:02 PM EST

well I thought I had all of this figured out, but now I don't know :D

I have spent the last bit of time getting my VB up to +75, under the impression that it would help make up for the lower dex I am going to have on my tank. Recently I found out that I could have a +0 weapon, and still land a single hit if my dex matched my oppenents.

Is the opposite true? Could I have a +100 VB and not land any hits because an oppenent has quite a bit more dex then me? If thats true I sure wish I put all that money into the x instead of the + haha

Adminedyit December 29 2006 5:07 PM EST

i've had an opponent lower my dx into the negatives and still land hits based on pure PTH

QBOddBird December 29 2006 5:41 PM EST

The reason I have only 100k DX on my UC tank is because he has 130+ PTH so I don't use DX except to hit 'Chanters/mages/walls more often.

AdminNightStrike December 29 2006 5:42 PM EST

1) You'll need a weapon at +100, so don't worry.

2) At negative DX, your DX functions as if it were zero (or 1).

horseguy001 December 29 2006 5:59 PM EST

ok

Well then my worst fears are put to rest then, no wasted money :D

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 29 2006 6:06 PM EST

There are two portions to hitting.

DEX is first. At equal DEX to your opponent, you have a chance (based on weapon handedness) to land a single hit. Increasing your DEX over your opponent will give you a greater chance of landing this single hit, increasing to a chance to land a second hit.

PTH is next. PTH gives a percentage chance of landing a hit, which is added to your DEX chance. But there is no limit to the amount of hits PTH can give.

For example. Due to DEX sizes assume you have a 75% chance to land a single hit. if you had a +24 weapon, you would have a 99% chance to hit (for one hit) in every round.

If your DEX was reduced to giving you a zero chance to hit, a +24 weapon would still give you 24% to land a single hit in each round.

At least I think this is how it works. ;)

Flamey December 30 2006 7:27 AM EST

seems like people would miss a lot, if that were the case, wouldn't it, GL?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 30 2006 7:53 AM EST

How so?

Flamey December 30 2006 8:00 AM EST

a 300k DX tank trying to hit a 500k DX tank, it still hits doesn't it? and wouldn't the PTH have to be massive on the 300k DX tank? if it works like that?

maybe, I'm not getting it, but its late, fighting to keep eyes open!!

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 30 2006 8:03 AM EST

No idea the actualy amount, but the 300K DEX Tank would have something like a natural 30% chance per round to land a single hit versus the other Tank. Weapon PTH then adds to that.

Flamey December 30 2006 8:06 AM EST

30% so lets say 50 PTH, which costs quite a bit, might I add. 80% CTH, I could of sworn I hit bigger tanks every round, come to think, the only time I miss is, against Evasion.


and this is horseguy's thread, his evasion chanter had something like (90) effect, and I was hitting him, with 450k DX and 50 PTH.

I believe those were the numbers..

horseguy001 December 30 2006 3:54 PM EST

Yeah, but I think your EC was big enough to knock my evasion down alot of levels. Wasn't it around 300k? Plus it was boosted 30% because of my AoF...ouch

I suppose as long as I hit at least once around I should be happy :D

Flamey December 30 2006 7:41 PM EST

my EC shouldn't of affected your Evasion at all.

unless there's something that I'm missing, your Evasion should of stayed the same regardless of EC?

Shooto December 30 2006 7:50 PM EST

Your EC takes the defensive DEX from evasion down which helps you hit him better. I think thats what he was referring to.

Flamey December 30 2006 7:51 PM EST

does EC reduce the defensive DX granted by Evasion?

I didn't know that, so much for not being able to hurt a skill :)

horseguy001 December 30 2006 8:44 PM EST

yeah there was a post not too long ago by John that stated EC does indeed hurt evasion by lowering your dex into the negatives.

Shooto December 30 2006 8:51 PM EST

It doesn't affect the actual skill part, it affects the dexterity granted equal to the level of evasion trained. The PTH reduction is still the same no matter how high the EC is, it just makes it less necessary to need PTH to hit someone.
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