Double hits with DX - no guarantee? (in General)

From chat:
<Jonathan> if you have two naked minions you can guarantee 2 hits with a big enough dx advantage


We have been discussing in chat the methods of getting multiple strikes. It is a theory that DX alone will not guarantee a double hit, and that to do so requires about a +29 weapon. We were discussing this in chat, when Jon corrected us with the above statement. So, we en devoured to find the real story.

My character has a minion with no Evasion. I put "Ember" out front, removed all Elven gear, and was left with nothing but a Corn and 18 DX. Yukk has a powerful char with over 700k DX, and he equipped a +1 katana. The result is that in round 2 of melee, he got a single hit on Ember:

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Our contention is not that double hits are impossible without PTH -- that's obviously wrong. The contention is that single hits are *possible* with a massive DX advantage and small PTH (under +29 for a 1H weapon).

Thoughts?

I've been seeing additional penalties to hit for a while...nice to have someone do the hard work.

throw in a base EC to put their DX to zero :)

in hitting the char SmallsNCB

I hit the minions Wall for 19 rounds with a base Tulwar (REPRESENT YO)

6 of those rounds, with 3 million dex (or there abouts) I got single hits...

Chance to hit is bugged, or is this the 1 handed weapon vrs two handed weapon thing?

I really should just quit while I'm behind...

You can guarantee one hit an a chance of a 2nd with dx alone, but never 100% chance of 2.

trifeca completed, hit the showers Jon...

I'm going to play Jade Empire. :P

hey at least the way you thought things were was really cool, even if none of it was true...

Jade Empire? Now we know where Jon gets his inspiration for CB updates!

"You can guarantee one hit an a chance of a 2nd with dx alone, but never 100% chance of 2. "

Ah, good. This is exactly what we put into the wiki -- for the second hit, your chance of hitting will only get to 66% from DX alone (+ some 5%). The rest has to come from PTH.