UC Combinatorics (in General)

Can somebody explain this to me?

Naked: 129,497
Aoi: 172,231
CG: 221,225
AoI + CG: 274,386

Those are UC scores. The AoI is +10 named, so it adds 33% to the skill level. 129,497 * 1.33 = 172,231. That's a difference of 42,734. Cool. That makes sense. A CG at this level bumps the score to 221,225 for a difference of 91,728. Now, when adding them both together, since the AoI and CG are supposed to only affect base UC, it should be 129497 + 42734 + 91728 = 263959 -- but it's not. What this says to me is that it seems like the CG adds it's +10 UC effect AFTER the AoI multiplies the base by 1.33. Is this really the case? It's the only way that I can figure out these things making sense.

First, I'm assuming you *meant* AoF.

And I believe it is the EVASION effect that the Gi only applies to trained UC.

So it would do the 33% added, then +10 standard from Gi, but the Gi's Evasion effect is only working on the original Naked: 129,497 amount - increasing Evasion to be equivalent to that in Ranged and 85.4k in Melee.

Ok, I was able to answer my own question. Yes, this is the case. First, UC is multiplied by Elven + AoF (btw, s/aoi/sof/g above). Then the C G and H G linear addition is applied. This makes those items extremely valuable.

interesting numbers but you do mean AoF right?

Right, %'s come first and static comes 2nd.

And the Evasion effect only applies to trained UC level.

I am far too unskilled to be able to verify the evasion level given the various combinatoric patterns. I'm fine with just saying that my evasion level is "a lot"

Incidentally... Unarmed Combat: 643,311/129,497 (55) :)

Combat Gi adds 10 to UC. The UC level gets adjusted to whatever figure is needed to match that 10 increase to UC's effect.

No, your Evasion is only equivalent to your pre-item bonus UC level during ranged with Gi and 2/3 of that during melee with Gi.


Source: The original thread.

Looks like it is time to update the UC Wiki entry so that *EVERYONE* can understand exactly how it works.

OB, you just linked this thread to itself....

Where I had intended to link.

Something weird is going on.

The HTML I am putting in is changing when I hit Confirm to link to THIS thread....and each and every time I am pasting THIS link:

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001GZS

This is what you did:

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The href: should have been href= ...
Tip: for bonus points, leave the 'http://www.carnageblender.com' part out of the URL, so the link works the same for everyone, even those who not visit this site via www.carnageblender.com.

What I would like to try.

JKF junctioned with AoF and HG. :)

The AoF would increase the Jigs UC level, while not suffering from the increase to any EC faced, and the HG should also junction over to increase UC. :)

If only the HoC would work! (Or you could use a Gi as well!) ;)

Which of course would work best on a 4 minion team casting AS, Haste, GS, and AMF, with one minion holding the gears and the Junction for the Jig. xP

"If only the HoC would work! (Or you could use a Gi as well!) ;)"

How do u junction a Gi?

Exactly. ;)

OB, that post was a long time ago. Does it still apply?

No, No, No, NO people - this can't be happening again.
Last time, just as I decided to start an MM NCB there was a big thread about it.
Now, just because I was thinking about a junctioned JKF NCB, there's a thread all about it.
Now it's going to look like I'm just following trends, instead of actually thinking about what I am doing :-(
It's enough to make you think about starting a single FB mage I tells ya

VC, at least you didn't plan your NCB just as Jon introduced some of the biggest changes he had ever made while I've played CB; completely scuppered my plans for my last NCB halfway through it!

Oh well, that's life in CB for ya!

Just as a matter of interest, if you were playing a single FB mage with a familiar, would PL negate the splashback on him? ;-)