How do displacement boots work? (in General)


Kong Ming February 24 2007 8:59 AM EST

I just equipped a +80 on a low level mage but I still get hit by low level tanks. Does the displacement boots only reduce hits from PTH and not from dexterity hits?

bartjan February 24 2007 9:03 AM EST

Indeed.

Kong Ming February 24 2007 9:06 AM EST

Oh well, looks like I've wasted my time and money on this pair.

bartjan February 24 2007 9:40 AM EST

That depends. I bet it does reduce the number of hits your poor little mage gets...

Duke February 24 2007 9:43 AM EST

DB can reduce CTH from dex see changelog of may 2005.

bartjan February 24 2007 10:12 AM EST

Nope Duke; see this post

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 24 2007 10:15 AM EST

Bart, it has already been said that from the ant-pth portion, anything over their pth reduces dex by 1% for each + over.
That is a lot different from defensive dex :)

bartjan February 24 2007 10:20 AM EST

That's for the Evasion skill. Not for the boots.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 24 2007 10:22 AM EST

It always used to be for the boots even before Evasion was made a skill and I don't remember ever seeing a changelog regarding a change.

bartjan February 24 2007 10:23 AM EST

You did read the thread I linked to, and noticed the username that made that claim?

QBOddBird February 24 2007 10:29 AM EST

bart, you are misreading perhaps?

The question was: Do DBs have the additional defensive dexterity, or only provide the pth reduction?

And it said they only provide the PTH reduction, not the defensive DX.

Duke is saying the -PTH portion itself can also reduce CTH by 1% per point over the opponent's PTH - not that any defensive DX is provided.

I think he's right there, but I'm too lazy to try and find a changelog to prove it.

bartjan February 24 2007 10:35 AM EST

The chance to hit is based on both the PTH and DX. Displacement Boots only affect the PTH part, not the DX part.

AdminNightStrike February 24 2007 10:40 AM EST

It should be easy enough to figure out. Pit a player with 20DX, no Evasion, and large DB's against someone with 20DX and a +1 weapon. See how many times he hits. At equal DX, they should see 50% hits if bart is right, and zero or almost virtually no hits if everyone else is right.

Kong Ming February 24 2007 10:56 AM EST

Well, I tried the pair on a really low level mage and fought against low level tanks. The PTH from their ToA and weapons will never be able to overcome my DB +80, and they are still hitting me. So, I concluded that I'm being hit because of the dexterity difference.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 24 2007 11:10 AM EST

low level tanks will still be able to get hits against a low level mage, they are probably only getting a 20-30% reduction in dex if they also wear a TOA which is going to be plenty left to still hit your mage.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] February 24 2007 11:46 AM EST

sorry bart, any additional plus over the attackers weapon plus does indeed reduce dex based chance to hit

horseguy001 February 24 2007 11:59 AM EST

How does the 1% reduction work? Is it compounded or just tallied and taken off all at once?

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] February 24 2007 1:32 PM EST

the remaining + after reducing all PTH is the percentage reduction in the attackers effective DEX.

AdminNightStrike February 24 2007 2:44 PM EST

"Well, I tried the pair on a really low level mage and fought against low level tanks. The PTH from their ToA and weapons will never be able to overcome my DB +80, and they are still hitting me. So, I concluded that I'm being hit because of the dexterity difference."

This doesn't show anything. The data is ESPECIALLY skewed since a ToA is involved. Fight a brand new score zero character that has a whip and 20DX and see what happens.

AdminNightStrike February 24 2007 2:46 PM EST

"How does the 1% reduction work?"

DX adds up to 166% chance to hit, and PTH adds 1% per plus to your chance to hit. DB's subtract 1% per plus from your chance to hit. So if you have 100% from DX and a +50 weapon giving you a total of 150%, and you fight someone with DB's of +120, you will have a 30% chance to hit.
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