AxBow data (in General)


miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 9:10 AM EST

I have a newly forged +100 x2001 Axbow and would like to hear how it does. Could some of you folks with high dexes attack me and tell me what affect it has on your dex? You will need to factor out my EC, but if you could just post the battle results here I could attempt to do so myself.

Its annoying that after all that forge work I LOOSE people off my fight list but gain NO ONE. I would have thought a high NW AxBow would almost shut down a high dex opponent but it doesn't.

miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 9:14 AM EST

Huh! My battles have changed, I think?!? This morning I sucked wind, but now I'm able to do much better. Was there a change that hasn't made it to the change log, I wonder?

Still, I'd love to collect some data on the AxBow's effectiveness.

bartjan March 1 2007 9:52 AM EST

First number is DX remaining, second one is number of ranged hits by you

227,6633
237,4181
54,5523
227,6633
118,2442
237,4181
7,5553
420,0262

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 1 2007 9:58 AM EST

Shield takes damage from his own Fireball (2)!
Shields Fireball hit The Showgirl for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Jesun for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Jig for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Mrs. County, eventually for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Big Smith's Ex for no damage
Hammer shot Jig [59932]
Jig looks clumsier!
Big Smith's Ex absorbs damage [59932]


Shield takes damage from his own Fireball (3)!
Shields Fireball hit The Showgirl for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Jesun for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Jig for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Mrs. County, eventually for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Big Smith's Ex for no damage
Hammer hit Jig [45441]
Jig looks clumsier!
Big Smiths Ex absorbs damage [45441]
Hammer hit Jig [57654]
Jig looks clumsier!
Big Smiths Ex absorbs damage [57654]


Shield takes damage from his own Fireball (3)!
Shields Fireball hit The Showgirl for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Jesun for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Jig for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Mrs. County, eventually for no damage
Shields Fireball hit Big Smith's Ex for no damage
Hammer shot Jig [32413]
Jig looks clumsier!
Big Smiths Ex absorbs damage [32413]
Hammer hit Jig [60631]
Jig looks clumsier!
Big Smiths Ex absorbs damage [60631]


This?

AdminNightStrike March 1 2007 10:43 AM EST

Bart, your numbers don't make sense to me. Ax/Ex drain should not be randomized. Are you mixing minions in that table?

Last Gasp March 1 2007 11:12 AM EST

Minion

XP

HP

ST

DX

AC

DI

Ammo

Super Absorbant

 

7,435

 

-379,140

 

-381,221

 

-1,024,667

 

25

 

0 / 134,847

 

2,855

Charmin

 

7,430

 

-539,001

 

33,517

 

-504,184

 

153

 

452,218 / 134,986

 

2,885

Summer's Eve

 

7,436

 

-630,761

 

-307,433

 

-567,758

 

91

 

147,671 / 57,213

 

4,531

Preparation H

 

7,432

 

-410,450

 

-307,433

 

-567,676

 

99

 

46 / 61,113

 

4,097

bartjan March 1 2007 11:13 AM EST

The 2 other minions I have do have base DX, so together with the EC casted on them, they are assumed to be no targets for the axbow. I won all those battles, so my tank must have been alive during all those ranged rounds (I have no other means of doing damage). Because of this, I conclude all his hits were targeted against my tank, for which I did record the DX remaining.

For the # of hits I relied on the battle summary and the assumption he only has 1 ranged weapon in use.

Halfway through this sample of battles I did equip my AoF on my 1st enchanter again (but this shouldn't affect these numbers, should it?). No other changes to my team were made during this test.

Last Gasp March 1 2007 11:14 AM EST

Super Absorbant cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (327764)
Charmin cast Protection on all friendly Minions (5)
Summer's Eve cast Guardian Angel on all friendly Minions (?)
Preparation H cast Ethereal Chains on all enemy Minions (88220)
Preparation H cast Giant Strength on all friendly Minions (260719)

Net cast Ethereal Chains on all enemy Minions (568172)
Net cast Protection on all friendly Minions (20)
Shield cast Antimagic Field on Summer's Eve (0.70)
Shield cast Ablative Shield on all friendly Minions (768324)
Hammer cast Protection on all friendly Minions (20)

enchantment effects that cannot be determined before combat are displayed as '?'

Ranged Combat

Super Absorbant missed Shield
Charmin hit Shield [90193]
Net absorbs damage [90193]
Charmin shot Shield [105803]
Net absorbs damage [105803]
Summer's Eve missed Shield
Summer's Eve missed Shield
Preparation H missed Shield

Shield's Fireball hit Super Absorbant for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Charmin for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Summer's Eve for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Preparation H for no damage
Hammer hit Super Absorbant [156861]
Super Absorbant looks clumsier!
Super Absorbant's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (58748)
Hammer hit Super Absorbant [226471]
Super Absorbant looks clumsier!
Super Absorbant's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (67576)

 

 

Super Absorbant missed Shield
Charmin hit Shield [138039]
Net absorbs damage [138039]
Summer's Eve missed Shield
Preparation H missed Shield

Shield's Fireball hit Super Absorbant for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Charmin for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Summer's Eve for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Preparation H for no damage
Hammer struck deep into Super Absorbant [210962]
Super Absorbant looks clumsier!
Super Absorbant's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (8523)
Hammer struck deep into Super Absorbant [191291]
Super Absorbant looks clumsier!
Hammer cries "Die you gravy sucking pig!"

R.I.P. Super Absorbant

 

 

 

Charmin shot Shield [100360]
Net absorbs damage [100360]
Summer's Eve missed Shield
Preparation H missed Shield

Shield's Fireball hit Charmin for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Summer's Eve for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Preparation H for no damage
Hammer hit Charmin [109117]
Charmin's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (40412)
Hammer shot Charmin [112765]
Charmin's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (40566)
Hammer hit Charmin [122033]
Charmin's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (43568)

Charmin regenerated 2,005 HP

 

 

 

Melee Combat

Summer's Eve takes damage from his own Decay (45889)!
Summer's Eve's Decay hit Net [59135]

Shield's Fireball hit Charmin for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Summer's Eve for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Preparation H for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Net for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Hammer for no damage

Charmin regenerated 2,005 HP

 

 

 

Charmin glanced off of Shield with A Bloody Hot Poker [17823]
Net absorbs damage [17823]
Summer's Eve takes damage from his own Decay (39465)!
Summer's Eve's Decay hit Net [47859]
Preparation H glanced off of Shield [24]
Net absorbs damage [24]

Shield's Fireball hit Charmin for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Summer's Eve for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Preparation H for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Net for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Hammer for no damage
Hammer crushed Charmin [252904]
Hammer draws strength from his weapon! [5594]
Charmin's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (10440)
Hammer pulverized Charmin [316073]
Hammer cries "Die you gravy sucking pig!"

Charmin regenerated 2,005 HP

 

R.I.P. Charmin

 

 

 

Summer's Eve takes damage from his own Decay (33940)!
Summer's Eve's Decay hit Net [40677]
Preparation H stumbled swinging at Shield

Shield's Fireball hit Summer's Eve for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Preparation H for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Net for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Hammer for no damage
Hammer crushed Summer's Eve [286604]
Hammer draws strength from his weapon! [41698]
Summer's Eve's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (57213)
Hammer pulverized Summer's Eve [247274]
Hammer pulverized Summer's Eve [305373]
Hammer cries "Die you gravy sucking pig!"

R.I.P. Summer's Eve

 

 

 

Preparation H glanced off of Shield [22]
Net absorbs damage [22]

Shield's Fireball hit Preparation H for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Net for no damage
Shield's Fireball hit Hammer for no damage
Hammer pulverized Preparation H [378446]
Hammer draws strength from his weapon! [65556]
Preparation H's Guardian Angel smote Hammer (61113)
Hammer pulverized Preparation H [359788]
Hammer cries "Die you gravy sucking pig!"

R.I.P. Preparation H

 

miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 11:34 AM EST

bartjan, those numbers just don't make sense.

227,663 3
237,418 1
54,552 3
227,663 3
118,244 2
237,418 1
7,555 3
420,026 2

How could one hit cause 237K dex remaining, while in another case 2 hits causes 420K dex remaining! Are these different minions?

miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 11:41 AM EST

This is what I need:

Pick your highest dex minion. Post starting dex, ending dex, any dex affecting enchantments, and the number of hits from the AxBow. The rest is fluff. I don't need a blow by blow since I can get that if I run the battle myself. What MY battle report does not state is your ending dex which is not even in the blow by blow.

So post something like:

MinionA Starting Dex: 1M
MinionA Enchantments: Haste 600K + Ethereal Chains 500K + 10% AoF
MinionA Ending Dex: 500K
Hits by AxBow: 2

I'm also curious as to whether it affects evasion bonuses but that would take a lot more work to figure out.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 1 2007 11:51 AM EST

The AX effects evasion in the same way EC does, once dex goes negative it acts as a minus to defensive dexterity.

miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 11:59 AM EST

Does the AxBow target based on defensive Dex? In other words, who will the AxBow target - someone with a 200 dex or someone with a 400 evasion? I think it just looks at offensive dex but don't know.

And does it also affect the Evasion's -pth as well as the defensive dex? I suspect not.

Last Gasp March 1 2007 12:00 PM EST

Starting Dex of Charmin = 304,468
Ending Dex = -504,184

3 hits in the last round of Ranged.

bartjan March 1 2007 12:18 PM EST

I've done some more tests, also to make sure that all hits were aimed at the same minion. They are. Also checked to see if it matters in which round the axbow hits (perhaps it had the same kind of penalty applied to it that ranged damage itself has). Unfortunately I found 2 samples with exactly the same hits in the same rounds, but resulted in a different end DX.

AdminNightStrike March 1 2007 12:51 PM EST

miteke -- offensive only

Bart -- stat drain is not randomized. There must be another factor at play somewhere.

bartjan March 1 2007 12:55 PM EST

It would be nice if others also did the same tests: multiple battles against the same axbow/exbow user...

hzarb March 1 2007 2:19 PM EST

You shoot once in the first round of ranged, with damage in the 100-140k range. Failed to hit me in 1 out of 4 battles. Hammer would be dead by the end of that round.

Just reproducing damage you produced in those four battles with axbow:

Hammer shot Lekunhawk [102087]

Hammer shot Lekunhawk [108634]

Hammer hit Lekunhawk [143892]

Hammer missed Lekunhawk

bartjan March 1 2007 2:22 PM EST

hzarb, it's the DX drain that he's looking for...

Adminedyit March 1 2007 2:56 PM EST

My Tanks stats after a fight vs you miteke as you asked.
The Impaler HP 1,785,735, ST 761,105, DX -71,417

AdminNightStrike March 1 2007 3:07 PM EST

bart - I would, but he misses me every round.

hzarb March 1 2007 3:13 PM EST

His axbow DX drain is insignificant in my case since he's hitting a char of mine who has no ranged weapon and the fight never arrives to melee.

miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 3:45 PM EST

hzarb - I understand it does not affect the outcome of the battle, but it helps understand the mechanics. You're having a haste spell also spices things up as far as figuring out the affect. So If you are even getting hit once, please post the dex affects.

miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 3:52 PM EST

I think a lot of you are missing the point of all this. If you are getting hit with the AxBow I need to see

So post something something like:

Minion Starting Dex: 1M
Minion Enchantments: Haste 600K + Ethereal Chains 500K + 10% AoF
Minion Ending Dex: 500K
Hits by AxBow: 2


Telling me the dex loss without telling me the number of hits, or the enchantments does not help. I'm trying to figure out what a single blow does. I'm also wondering if blows in the same round are treated differently than blows in separate rounds.

Its been theorized that a x2000 AxBow should steal about 2/3 of a minions dex. Is that true?

Is it 2/3 of starting dex of current dex and is hitting in the same round a factor?

Is there an upper limit on the amount of dex the AxBow will take?

Is there a lower limit?

What happens if a minion has Evasion?

....

More data please!

Adminedyit March 1 2007 3:58 PM EST

My starting DX: 1,041,213.
After 8 hits in ranged and an EC effect of 568,172.
My final DX: -111,457

miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 4:14 PM EST

Thanks!

You must be hitting on pth alone to win the battles in melee since your dex is into the negatives. That certainly puts a poor light on the effectiveness of the AxBow. Basically, even if you drive the opponent to negative dex, you are at most depriving him of, what, 1.5 hits per round? It sounds like my minion is in desperate need of some evasion to counter the pth too. Hmmm!

Unfortunately with 8 hits it's pretty hard to determine the dex drain per blow, though it is obvious that there is a minimum dex drain in affect since it DOES drive you to -1K which would be impossible if it was straight % based.

AdminNightStrike March 1 2007 5:28 PM EST

There is a % drain and a fixed drain per 'x'.

True, DX only gets you up to 1.5 hits.

I always presumed that the % was a % of the original DX. You make a good point that it would be a % of the current DX. That makes things interesting.

Getting a person to zero DX doesn't do much in the face of large PTH, especially if you're fighting against a giant ELB.

miteke [Superheros] March 1 2007 10:41 PM EST

OK. I got one lousy set of usable data. Don't make me CM you guys again!
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