Reminder: Selling RuneScape Accounts/Items Not Permitted (in General)


SNK3R November 17 2007 6:40 PM EST

As per the policy of RuneScape here, you may not sell your RuneScape accounts here in exchange for CB stuff. We do not condone illegal activities that go against their rules:
RuneScape items must only be exchanged for other items/services within the game.

Exchanging RuneScape items for items or other benefits in other online games, real-life money or other real-life benefits is not allowed.

krasko November 17 2007 7:15 PM EST

Yea much things are forbidden to buy/sell,but i do not think we should stop them.Now everyone know that Mitt have a runescape char to sell and everyone can CM him with his offer.The sale will go on with locked or not FS/WTB thread.

krasko November 17 2007 7:17 PM EST

And it is against the rules of Runescape not carnageblender.Runescape is the game that should try to stop the sale/delete his character or whatever,not carnageblender.

Zoglog[T] [big bucks] November 17 2007 7:48 PM EST

Krasko, if we allow it then we are a facilitator to the activity which makes us just as guilty as Mitt.

[P]Mitt November 17 2007 7:57 PM EST

Yea much things are forbidden to buy/sell,but i do not think we should stop them.Now everyone know that Mitt have a runescape char to sell and everyone can CM him with his offer.The sale will go on with locked or not FS/WTB thread.

If it is against the rules of CB to sell my character, I will not sell it here, nor will I accept any offers.

[P]Mitt November 17 2007 8:59 PM EST

While I will not sell my character here on CB, I would like a definite answer from Jon about this subject as there have been many past instances of RuneScape/CB trades and Neopets/CB trades that have not been singled out and flagged down.

so Jon, what is the official CB rule on the selling of other games' items and accounts, taking notice to the past FS/WTB exchanges?

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] November 18 2007 12:09 AM EST

a very original proposition:

CarnageBlender items must only be exchanged for other items/services within the game.

Exchanging CarnageBlender items for items or other benefits in other online games is not allowed.

and doesnt include the selling of CDB for USD

AdminG Beee November 18 2007 4:06 AM EST

It's not the easiest thing to enforce but SNK is correct and there has been precedence of us removing threads in the past when people have been "selling" items or accounts from other games on the CB forums.

We always have the Terms of Service that everyone agreed to when joining CB for reference. Reference item 10 for activities that loosely cover activities such as breaking ToS from other game sites.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 18 2007 11:33 AM EST

To be honest, isn't this a policy for Runescape to police?

What happens when some country decides that you cannot trade 'virtual' items (maybe due to taxation). Shall we uphold that restriction as well? We could trade USD for CB with people who are not in that country, but for everyone else it's fair game?

Instead of following the rule of another game, why don't we make it our rule.

No trading for anything that isn't CB related in CB.

Of course, CB could still be used to scope the sale (without breaking any of the rules) and then the transaction takes place somewhere else.

But we can't really stop that type of activity anyway.

Like me givving Johnnywas 10 Mil CB2 isn't a one way transfer, as he bought me 5 beers last night in the pub cuz I was out of cash.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 18 2007 11:35 AM EST

And G, shouldn't there be a distinction betweem something thats illegal, and something that just goes against another games rules, which isn't really illegal. ;)

AdminG Beee November 18 2007 12:29 PM EST

Which is why I said "loosely cover" :)

It may be argued as hypocrisy for the admins to condone, through inaction, something that could perhaps be considered fraudulent.

drudge November 19 2007 3:53 PM EST

carnageblender items should be allowed to be traded off on other sites. however, we should still respect the other site and we should not condone violations of *their* rules.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 19 2007 5:43 PM EST

aye, it seems that sites facilitating stuff can be shut down as tv links was. i think the question here is: is it worth allowing trades such as this to take a chance on losing cb?

Stephen November 19 2007 7:01 PM EST

There's nothing fraudulent or illegal about selling Runescape items anywhere. It's just against their Terms of Service. Since CB as a legal entity hasn't signed up for Runescape, it is not bound by their TOS.

Whether Jon or the admins want to ban it on ethical or good faith grounds is a different matter, but there is no legal obligation.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 19 2007 8:52 PM EST

i do believe tos's as a rule have been legally proven as a binding contract. cb could be seen as a venue for allowing people to meet up with such activities in mind. that is what i meant by the facilitator comment in my statement above as well as the reference to the tv links web site. many people tend to see what that guy was doing as perfectly legal as well. whether or not it is right is of little matter, there seems to be some precedence being set as we speak.

again, my point is that basically it is not worth the risk, regardless of how it all comes out in the wash.

QBOddBird November 19 2007 10:16 PM EST

Let's look at it another way.

CB creates a policy of no selling RoE's for USD or any other game material. Not that Jon would do any such thing, but just as an example.

So you go on Runescape with another player, knowing full well that CB admin can't police your actions there, and set up an exchange that violates said policy. A Runescape mod finds out about this, and tells you not to perform the exchange, because you know full well it will violate CB's policy.

Can it really be said that RS should be policing this in other games? It isn't like they can afford to put a mod in CB to watch for us trading game items.


I don't see anything wrong with one game's admins helping another game keep their players in line. After all, SNK4R didn't fine, reset, ban, etc. anyone...he simply gave a reminder of Runescape's policy and stated that there couldn't be a sale in exchange for CB stuff, because he can't condone such activities.

TheHatchetman November 20 2007 1:18 AM EST

"I would like a definite answer from Jon"

Who made SNK an admin? ;)

[P]Mitt November 20 2007 1:23 AM EST

Jon made SNK an admin, but that doesn't mean that SNK's interpretation is always 100% in line with Jon's. (I'm not attacking him, I think he's done a wonderful job)

However, I'm reminded of MrsDi banning Myth? was it?, and Jon Unbanning him - there can be different viewpoints between Jon and the other admins.

AdminG Beee November 20 2007 3:23 AM EST

Stephen, it depends on your definition of "fraudulent" and how it's applied.

In this case mine = "intended to deceive". Anyone selling a RS account has an intention to deceive the administration of that game as it's clearly against their ToS. I don't think we should condone that by openly allowing such activities on the CB forum boards.

PS. Mitt, Jon doesn't miss a thing on the forum boards. If he doesn't add anything that contradicts the admins then you can take it as read that he's happy with the way any call has been made.

/me now crosses fingers and hopes the boss doesn't chip in with a "G_Beee is an idiot" quote...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 20 2007 3:26 AM EST

"A Runescape mod finds out about this, and tells you not to perform the exchange, because you know full well it will violate CB's policy."

That's my point OB.

If the RS Mod isn't a player/admin of CB, what does he care? Why would he even bother to try to stop the exchange? Why would he even know your couldn't trade CB stuff?

Unless RS has a policy of not allowing trading of stuff that ain't RS stuff.

Now if there was some kind alliance/allegance between CB and RS I could understand working together to police both. ;)

(Now don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with SNK4Rs OP, but just wanted to discuss why we're taking up the mantle of internet police. :P)

Soxjr November 20 2007 3:39 AM EST

I think one reason to not allow this type of transfer because it also protects the CB player. What if I bought the RS account and paid a sum of CB for the transaction, then Jagex < the owners of RS> find there has been some switch and take action. This action being a reset or ban of the account. Now the person that spent all their CB on something has gotten nothing for it. Maybe the person buying the RS account didn't know it was a ToS violation and if we allowed it here he then got the short end of that stick.

Basically I think it's a good point to not allow trades of this nature if CB knows it's against the rules of another game. It protects both people, and it is the right thing to do. lol

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 20 2007 3:43 AM EST

Tough Sox. *You* knew you were violating that games rules, and you got burned (in the example above! :P).

Why should CB do anything to protect you, in a totally seperate game?

Let's start policing ebay for swapping concert ticket as well? Where shall we stop?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] November 20 2007 3:46 AM EST

"Maybe the person buying the RS account didn't know it was a ToS violation"

Just saw that, teach me for skimming. ;)

Again, that's a 'boo hoo tough on you'. Should have read the ToS for the game you're playing really... ;) Call it a 'Read the Manual' tax. ;)

Godpanda November 20 2007 4:19 AM EST

Ummm... Makes sense to me...

I mean... SNK could have banned me. Oh... Wait... He's going to do that anyway....\

PALIN YOU LUCKY BLADE!


*walks away muttering about restraining orders against deranged reptiles*

j'bob November 20 2007 5:41 AM EST

Isnメt it up to me what I do with my items & account?

No, the terms and conditions state that your RuneScape character and account and items are and remain the property of Jagex.

With that said in the ToS of RS it could actually dive into the realm of Deceptive Practices in that the seller of said property is transferring it without the permission of its actual owner, Jagex... making it ILLEGAL.
Now, is that kinda stretching it, yeah. Is it entirely possible. Yes.
And in that case both the seller and the buyer (with or without knowledge of the ToS) loses. Ignorance of the law is not a defense.
Having wasted all that breath (ok, so i talk when i type) I can't say I agree with one side or the other, but think that either way, a policy should probably be more defined here to address situations like this.

TheHatchetman November 20 2007 1:52 PM EST

"a policy should probably be more defined here to address situations like this."


"Reminder: Selling RuneScape Accounts/Items Not Permitted"

Seems pretty straightforward to me...

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] November 20 2007 1:55 PM EST

"Let's start policing ebay for swapping concert ticket as well? Where shall we stop?"

Presently, it looks like we're stopping at "known cooperation within the gaming community". If we have such a great community, there is no reason whatsoever not to extend our good behavior. This includes respecting others' rules where they impact our behavior here.

Otherwise known as "common courtesy".

{cb1}Linguala November 20 2007 2:29 PM EST

Why is everyone taking this so seriously?
SNK4R has done what he can do. He INFORMED that it is an illegal action.
By doing so, he saveguarded CB from being held accountable for faciliating an illegal transfer.
Even if SNK4R wanted to do more (besides closing the thread that's about the sale), he can't cause neither the buyer or seller have broken any CB rules YET. And until buyer and seller actually make the transfer openly in plain view, there aren't any intrusions on CB rules.
At this point, I'm sure both the seller and buyer have eachothers e-mail addys. Which means CB is out of the picture entirely even if the illegal transfer happens.
That said, let's call it "end of discussion".

j'bob November 20 2007 2:35 PM EST

Hatchet,
I guess I didn't take this thread as being an actual policy...
tho as it was created by an Admin I guess should probably be construed as one.
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