Upcoming Changemonth (in General)

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] November 23 2007 11:52 PM EST

So, with the upcoming nerf to RBF, and lets be honest, with all the whining and complaining of how its overpowered and how it should be nerfed vs finding ways to improve the other aspects of the game, it more than likely will be.

My only request for the next changemonth is that when you nerf the RBF Jon, turn it back into a cloak so I can still feel a little happy about wearing it with armor this time.

QBOddBird November 23 2007 11:54 PM EST

Don't think you can predict Jon's changes or when they will happen...it took for EVER and a lot of whining to see the NUB fixed.

But I do think it would be nice to have the RoBF as a cloak again. =)

j'bob November 24 2007 12:16 AM EST

That does sound interesting. I wasn't here for that (i don't think).
Did it provide base AC? How did it work in a nutshell?

Iluvatar[NK] November 24 2007 12:21 AM EST

Originally it was a "Holocaust Cloak" (Think Princess Bride) that provided defense against Fireballs and did reflective damage against melee attacks.

It was soon changed to "Cloak of Balrog Flame" and some tweaks were made (Blacksmith only, -100% to enchantments)

Over time, various experiments were done to it - and that's where it is today.

It was always 0 base, and + never added AC as far as I can recall.

j'bob November 24 2007 12:31 AM EST

Holocaust Cloak! I love it...
No more rhymes and I mean it...
anybody want a peanut!

does sound interesting though. I wonder if it'll change significantly. If it's already been through so many changes and they didn't work much before, they might not work now. ;)
thanks for the info!

Flamey November 24 2007 4:16 AM EST

Fun fact: I believe it was renamed because it could've been offensive because of the holocaust that happened in world war 2.

Dark Dreky November 24 2007 4:06 PM EST

Some of my own ideas for RoBF changes:

1.) Get rid of the "You hit them with you massive DD spell for 0 damage!" Just make the damage reduction percentage based or something. It's silly the way it is now.

2.) Reduce evasion bonus to 1/5th or 1/4th

3.) Make the RoBF cancel all enchantments cast by the wearer. Why? Just for fun!!

4.) Boost RoS DM resistance! Wait. That has nothing to do with the RoBF. Woops!

chuck1234 November 24 2007 5:11 PM EST

One caveat to nerfing the RoBF's evasion:

keep the RoBF's evasion effect against ToA boosted opponents, since its basically tattoo versus tattoo

similarly, the RoBF's DD protection can be maintained against familiar's even if the DD protection against mage's is nerfed.

The principle should be to keep the RoBF tattoo potency on par with the other tattoo's, else it will again lose its utility.

ActionAction November 24 2007 10:47 PM EST

How many people actually believe the RoBF will get the nerf, and how many out of that group believe that the change will be significant enough to render it useless?

Hyrule Castle November 25 2007 12:42 AM EST

give single minions some loving.... FB mages to be precise ^.^

Ulord[NK] November 25 2007 3:52 PM EST

Knowing Jon, he'll always do something unexpected and absolutely aggravating to the general mass. Attempting to predict what he will do is futile!! I'm brimming with anticipation :).

j'bob November 25 2007 4:18 PM EST

The RoBF is turned to a POWER SHIELD.
Shield of Balrog Flame
It shoots fire (massive automatic DD) and reduces all attacks
magical or otherwise by 70%, indirectly nerfing the VB!
Base armor (30). Each (+) adds to armor class and adds
10 % per to evasion.
You heard it here first.

chuck1234 November 25 2007 4:21 PM EST

unlikely, j'bob. If it were to be anything other than a tattoo, you can have a bonus tattoo installed, say a steel familiar...also, the RoBF damage effect is dependant on max tat lvl which won't work as a power shield.

j'bob November 25 2007 4:27 PM EST

Power Shields cannot be used on a minion that has a tattoo or shield equipped.
^ from wiki.
Either way, I take full responsibility for the fact that my sarcasm was
lost on many people. Sorry folks.
(seriously, my humor doesn't always reach the masses but it entertains me)

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] November 25 2007 4:31 PM EST

Another tattoo could be added on a different minion, j'bob.

Ulord[NK] November 25 2007 4:31 PM EST

sounds like a great item jbob :).

Add this for fun: reduce all ed effects to 0 and leave hp at 1! No risk no reward right?

j'bob November 25 2007 4:31 PM EST

hey, good point fanta!

chuck1234 November 25 2007 4:38 PM EST

this is no time for sarcasm, j'bob, my good man....my char's teeth are doing the rumba-sumba on each other what with all this talk of nerfing our very life and blood, the massively overpowered RoBF ;)

j'bob November 25 2007 4:41 PM EST

LOL!!! I like chuck. A lot.
Wait, at least I did for 27 seconds or so there...
until I looked and found out him and his RBF are
beating the heck out of me!!
L O L ! ! !
(well done MI5)

chuck1234 November 25 2007 4:45 PM EST

merely repaying in kind what my char was receiving from your char all the time until now ;)

j'bob November 25 2007 4:52 PM EST

/me didn't realize I was so hard on you. D:
/me takes his lashings with stoicism...
(and waits for the big RBF nerf!)


chuck1234 November 25 2007 4:57 PM EST

perish the thought, mate....the RoBF is "massively overpowered", but if nerfed, it merely becomes a toy, worthless again.

QBOddBird November 25 2007 5:03 PM EST

I do pretty well against other RoBF enchanter teams my size, and I'm just a lowly single minion melee-only tank. Once their Evasion gets too big, I can't hit them, but heck, I'm non-ToA and non-USD...;'P

chuck1234 November 25 2007 5:09 PM EST

there's a named ToA in store just waiting for you to try out and find the difference, QB OOB, but if you don't like it, it'll set you back almost a mil between the "buy from" and "sell to" store price.
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