NCB Regen Rates (in General)

[RX3]Cotillion November 26 2007 11:06 PM EST

Skye Blue
a Character belonging to [RX3] RedX13
Created November 18, 2007 (NCB until March 17)

That's how long I've been fighting with my NCB, and I am still at 8/20 regen rate.

Do I need to retire my last 'active' character?

Also, have I been getting bigger rewards due to me being stuck in the 8/20 regen rate?

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] November 26 2007 11:09 PM EST

"Still"? You're far away from 7/20 regen rate.

[RX3]Cotillion November 26 2007 11:10 PM EST

You misunderstood me Fanta. :) ...

I started a NCB... I haven't even hit 100k mpr yet, so I should be at 10/20, or at the very least 9/20, but I'm not. I am still at 8/20 which was what my last active character, Ruins, was at.

QBOddBird November 26 2007 11:11 PM EST

Your regen rate is determined by your largest active character.

*points at Caramon*

[RX3]Cotillion November 26 2007 11:14 PM EST

I thought 'active' constituted as a character that you continuously use for fighting/forging...

I haven't fought with Caramon for a long time, so wouldn't that make him 'inactive'? ...

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] November 26 2007 11:15 PM EST

Oh, okay - yeah what OB said :)

Fanta [Fanta's Forge] November 26 2007 11:16 PM EST

Active just means not retired.

[RX3]Cotillion November 26 2007 11:28 PM EST

And I'm back down to 10/20 regen rate after retiring my two higher 'active' characters...... -.-

Now, have I been getting royally screwed out of exp/cash?...

From the Wiki:

"The higher your VPR, the slower your BA regenerates (in other words, the less BA you get per 20 minutes) - however, fight rewards are adjusted accordingly to increase whenever your BA regeneration rate decreases."

If I've been getting the higher rewards by being at a 8/20 regen rate, shouldn't this be changed?... It's easier to be able to run a character with a lower ba rate.

I don't know. Maybe it's not that big of a deal... as long as I haven't been getting screwed, which after fighting with those 10 ba I just recieved, looks like I have......... I haven't been recording my xp/cash rewards, but it seems like I've been getting the same xp rewards with 8/20 as I am now with 10/20...

Flamey November 27 2007 5:08 AM EST

You've been jipped of BA. The rewards are the same if you're accidentally getting a lower refresh when you shouldn't.

[RX3]Cotillion November 27 2007 8:44 AM EST

So... Guess I'm crap outta luck?... Man this sucks.

For some reason, it seems like I remember reading in a thread, that when you use a character that's in a lower regen rate, it takes a few days to adjust, to prevent abuse or something...

AdminNightStrike November 27 2007 8:57 AM EST

There is no difference in your rewards between the two regens. They are weighted accordingly, such that more BA = less rewards and less BA = more rewards. If you get 100 xp per fight from 10 BA for 1000 xp total, or 200 xp per fight from 5 BA for 1000 xp total, the total is still the same.

AdminNightStrike November 27 2007 8:58 AM EST

As an addendum, the reason that more BA tends to be useful at lower levels is that you tend to lose more battles offensively. In that case, having the additional BA with reduced rewards tends to minimize the loss.

[RX3]Cotillion November 27 2007 8:58 AM EST

I know NS, but it seems to me that I have been getting the same rewards as 8/20 as I am now with 10/20...

Should I just scrap this NCB and wait until i can make another?

AdminNightStrike November 27 2007 9:00 AM EST

No, there is a formula to calculate average battle rewards. What you should od is get hard facts instead of "feelings". I think it's from a post by Avoid.

AdminG Beee November 27 2007 3:19 PM EST

RedX, you weren't "jipped" out of BA. It works as per the description given by NS. If you look at your Manage Characters list you'll see all your active chars listed under "active". The highest char is the benchmark for your BA refresh calculation.

That said, the official FAQ is wrong as it clearly states "If you have a higher-level Character, it gives you the BA for the higher level unless you are actively playing your lower one.
Item 4. is incorrect and needs to be updated. It doesn't matter whether you're only actively burning BA from your lower character or not as the BA refresh will be calculated from your highest un-retired (read "active") character.

AdminG Beee November 27 2007 3:24 PM EST

OK, I've edited the text on the official FAQ. In it's defense however I would point to the following sentence ;) ". If you want to be sure to get the higher BA rate while using a lower Character, retire the higher one temporarily.

[RX3]Cotillion November 27 2007 3:24 PM EST

Well, lesson learned, albeit the hard way, but learned none the less. I knew that I read it some where, thanks G Beee.

So does that mean that I've been getting higher rewards due to the adjustment from 10/20 to 8/20? If so, I'll just unretire my higher 8/20 character, lol... It's not easy to get on every 5 hours.

Khardin November 27 2007 3:25 PM EST

I've had experience where it does work that way. If I fought with a lower character for a refresh or two, it would switch to their refresh rate. I don't know if it's something to do with burning all BA down to 0 or keeping focus on the other character, but it would be good to have it clearly defined?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 27 2007 3:30 PM EST

If having a larger char allows you to get higher rewards at a lower refresh as an N*B it's a bug, and needs fixing. I doubt this is the case, it does seem however that there is a recent issue with BA refreshes not reseting to lower chars when they are the "active" team.

AdminG Beee November 27 2007 3:32 PM EST

To be honest RedX, I'm not sure whether you get proportionate rewards based on refresh rate or not. I'll leave that answer for someone who knows for sure, or can point to a post or some other source of information that clarifies.

AdminNightStrike November 27 2007 4:03 PM EST

Jon made a change recently that caused the FAQ to become outdated. It used to be the case that you could switch your "active" character by playing a number of battles and waiting for the next cache flush. This would give you the regeneration rate of the newly active character. I forget when, but some time ago Jon changed this so that the "active" character is always the "largest" character. I forget if it's based on score, mpr, vpr, etc.

AdminNightStrike November 27 2007 4:04 PM EST

"I'm not sure whether you get proportionate rewards based on refresh rate or not."

Rewards are increased for a slower regeneration rate.

AdminNightStrike November 27 2007 4:05 PM EST

"It's not easy to get on every 5 hours." This is why it's generally not the best idea to make your NCB your highest character once you get a good fightlist going. When you do not have a good fightlist, however, and your offensive losses are elevated, you want as much BA as possible. There is a balance.

QBsutekh137 November 27 2007 5:09 PM EST

Yes, rewards are adjusted for 10/20, 9/20, etc... They would have to be. Otherwise my growth would only be 60 percent that of a new player (bonus notwithstanding).

That is very obviously not the case.

Rewards are essentially based on BA cost. BA cost has everything already figured in, that is why it such a useful number for things like calculating forging efficiency -- it is the normalizing factor across play levels.

As far as I recall, too, everything NS has said here is bona fide gold authentic information. I don't know how some people have such a good memory. *smile*

Flamey November 28 2007 2:52 AM EST

It shouldn't work like that, it just seems silly. So after 200k MPR, I'd be in 8 or 9, but if I had a higher character in 6/20, I can get 6/20 refresh on my 200k MPR and miss way less BA?

AdminG Beee November 28 2007 8:03 AM EST

What does it do to your "Get more BA" purchase price?

AdminNightStrike November 28 2007 10:38 AM EST

Flamey -- yes.

"What does it do to your "Get more BA" purchase price?"

You pay the higher price. But again, since cash rewards are equally skewed, your net profit at the end of the week is the same (well, I suppose not during an NCB period, since BA cost is insane and cash rewards are not boosted... but if you had a non-NCB low-MPR char, then it would indeed even out)
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