suggestion on ba cap (in General)


Frost January 2 2008 4:15 PM EST

i think non nub players should have a higher ba cap so it would be a bit fairer ive seen nub players with alot more money and stuff than me and i wonder how they got it all.

Windwalker January 2 2008 4:20 PM EST

I would like to see it go up for those of us who have an 8 hour work day and miss out on BA because we can't always get to it.Two hundred sounds real good to me as a max.

QBOddBird January 2 2008 4:33 PM EST

I would not like to see everyone able to hit every BA. There would hardly be competition. (I.E. the 6/BA refresh) - as NS has pointed out before, if everyone hits every BA and grows at the exact same rate, how do you ever overtake the top MPR?

Talion January 2 2008 4:44 PM EST

I think the BA cap is perfect as it is. Makes it hard to get it all unless you really commit yourself to the game.

TheHatchetman January 2 2008 7:36 PM EST

Or ya could always do it how I've been doing it lately... Get sick, and recover just in time to get sicker, then recover just in time for your boss to get sick and unable to work.

Works especially well when you don't sleep long hours (I sleep 5-6 hours at a time normally, so sleep hasn't interfered with my BA spending since it was bumped to 20 minute refreshes), and you've been stabbed in the back by 90% of the people you've trusted in your area, causing you to avoid most everyone else (ain't got much stuff/patience left, and would prefer to avoid getting stabbity)...

RL > CB, but I've found myself where there's not much RL going on...

Got a new job starting Saturday, so I'll start missing my typical 80-120 BA /week... Just in time to start clanning in the dead zone. If I'm careful, and try hard enough, i might be able to have a positive net at least half the time :P

GummyBear January 2 2008 9:59 PM EST

personally, I think it should go back to the old 10 BA per 10 mins, instead of 20 mins...

Perhaps a personal opinion though :/

Hyrule Castle January 2 2008 11:43 PM EST

personally i think the BA cap should be closer to about 60....or 80 tops...especially with the BA refresh up to every 20 mins instead of 10..

to all you complainers lets bring back the 10min BA refresh then...shall we?

[RX3]Cotillion January 3 2008 12:14 AM EST

Hyrule Castle, Jan 2
''to all you complainers lets bring back the 10min BA refresh then...shall we?''

Exactly my thoughts.

Ulord[NK] January 3 2008 12:41 AM EST

If it's not broken, don't fix it. Accept the fact that some people play this game better than the other, not just more, better. That's because they know what they are doing more so than others.

AdminNightStrike January 3 2008 1:45 AM EST

Not really, broke. The rewards system is crafted in such a way that the only thing that matters is how many fights you fight and win compared to anyone else. If you want to overtake anyone in front of you, you have to use more BA. There is no other way to do it.

Ulord[NK] January 3 2008 1:51 AM EST

Not everyone spends USD on this game NS. How do you suppose one can save up the 40mil to buy all the bas? How about minion hiring costs? How about big nw? If a player who doesn't pay USD wants to succeed in this game, as you said, fight all the battles and get all the rewards. Get a big tatt, good ncb going, good gears, he will need to earn that money. He can fight fight fight for 3 years and hopefully save it up or he can do lots of trading, stay active and keep his wits about. It takes a heck lot of dedication and skill to collect all the ingredients required to start an ncb that even has a remote chance of catching up to the top. That requires skill, ie some people are better at it than others. If you do spend usd, I suppose that eases up a lot of the trouble...

QBOddBird January 3 2008 2:01 AM EST

...So what you are saying is that if you use USD, you automatically are better at the game than someone using equivalent BA but no USD?

I might have totally missed the mark, but that was basically what I got out of that last post.

Ulord[NK] January 3 2008 2:11 AM EST

USD fast tracks everything. It allows you to buy all the NCB bas without saving. It also allows you to buy new minions without saving. These would otherwise take ages to do. My point is it is harder to play this game without usd. Let's disregard the fact that proper strategy will trump less than optimal strategies, I define someone as being better at CB as being able to collect the resources necessary to reach the top quickly. Afterall, if you have all the BA money, all the minion hiring money and all of the gear you need, all that's left to do is to burn your BA consistently for four months and keep going from there. Hence yes, by my definition, USD would make you a better player.

DH January 3 2008 2:34 AM EST

for once i think i agree with [Broke]Ulord[NK] on the presentation of what he considers to be a factual analysis of the state of the game. I am normally pretty indifferent to such things but his approach does make sense...alot of sense. i could buy my way to the top if i had the USD. im not a "ranger" or a "novice" when it comes to strats, and i dont optimize all my BA or engage in top five clan fighting. frankly i wouldnt matter much if i dropped say...500 usd in the game.
im sure i could tempt a few of the top 10s out of their well deserved chars with the right amount of cash. i imagine it would take more than 500 dollars...but thats not the point. i "could" potentially buy my way to the top. i personally dont understand usd spenders it kinda takes the fun out of the game for me, but hey...to each their own i guess. anyways, back in CB1 we once had a discussion of a "purist CB" where usd was not allowed in chat. the people that spend tons were against it..and the people that cant afford usd were for it. it was a hypothetical discussion as the owner and ultimate enforcer of the game was not involved in our chat. anyways my point here is that [Broke]Ulord[NK] has a good point. but theres not much we can do about it. im curious though as to how many of the top 10 are USD spenders. just for fun. i doubt they all are. but i wouldnt be shocked either.

Ulord[NK] January 3 2008 2:41 AM EST

Just to clarify, my original point has nothing to do with usd spending... It kinda drifted off topic because I added that one usd comment. Sorry for that, kinda hijacks the thread... Anyhow, my point is: without spending usd, to get truly competitive in the game, you need to collect resources and plan things out. That takes some skills and some can do it better than others. To address Frost's original post, I say the BA cap is fine. It is also normal for some nubs to outperform the oldtimers. They may just be better/more dedicated at collecting resources. (let's not discount the fact that some of them might spend usd as well)

DH January 3 2008 2:44 AM EST

actually i think i derailed it more than you [Broke]Ulord[NK] personally i don't have a problem with the BA/per. Back to you frost :P

Hivemind [The Hive] January 3 2008 8:01 AM EST

I think your BA cap should have something to do with your BA rate. You should be able to collect BA for 8 hours before it maxed out. So if your 6/20 you would have a lower cap than a 10/20.

As far as the USD comments I would say that spending money doesnt make you a "better" player but it will give you a "better" char. I would compare it to something like the America Cup boat race. Only those who have the money can compete. It becomes a race about who is the best of those willing to spend the money. In this game that money can come from USD or a lot of time trading, forging or fighting in the game. The way I see it we all have a fair chance its just that the USD spenders have that chance sooner.

Talion January 3 2008 8:42 AM EST

"The way I see it we all have a fair chance its just that the USD spenders have that chance sooner."

That is the best comment on USD spending. USD spenders can be better faster. Everyone else has to be patient.

Spend a year fighting or forging before starting a NCB and you will have plenty of $$$ for your NCB when you decide to start it. It's that simple. You can than use the NCB to it's full potential in order to catch up to the top characters.

But, like it has been written 1000 times in CB forums, players want everything now and they want it for free. Go figure.

QBJohnnywas January 3 2008 8:50 AM EST

You_Don't_Have_To_Use_Every_BA_To_Be_Competitive. Nor do you have to use USD.

I'm not buying BA with this char, (although I did earlier on) and I'm making about a million a week in cash, I'm fighting people of a much higher MPR than mine. OK, so I probably manage to use all my given BA, but it really doesn't have to be about who fights the most fights.

AdminNightStrike January 3 2008 9:01 AM EST

That depends on your definition of competitive, JW. If you don't fight with all of your BA, you will widen the MPR gap between yourself and anyone that has more MPR that fights either the same as you or more.

That's the killer. If you fight the exact same number of battles as someone with more MPR than you, the MPR gap between you will increase. Moreover, if you fight more, it may still widen depending on how big it is to begin with. The bigger the gap is, the more that you have to fight in comparison to the bigger player just to keep it from growing further still.


To broke - You don't need to spend 3 years earning money to be equivalent to a USD spender. Start an NCB, play during money time, power level a tattoo that you sell to the store at the end, sell the char at the end, never buy BA with it, fight in a clan, and always fight with 100% challenge bonus... at the end of 4 months, you'll have PLENTY of cash to run a real NCB.

QBJohnnywas January 3 2008 9:19 AM EST

"If you don't fight with all of your BA, you will widen the MPR gap between yourself and anyone that has more MPR that fights either the same as you or more. "

True, but using me as my own example, myself and Chuck1234 started our chars at the same time; at some point I gave up buying BA and Chuck didn't. So his char is bigger than mine, but we're both fighting at the same score level, in some cases with the same opponents. His char is a RBF char, mine is a SOD/exshot tank.

The levelling factor I guess is that I'm using a strat that is good for fighting higher, IMO better than the RBF.

You can fight higher than your MPR and competitively using certain strats, mostly those with evasion because of how evasion nullifies NW. The only place I believe where MPR and battles fought counts is in the top 20, and even there it is possible to bridge the gap.

AdminNightStrike January 3 2008 9:59 AM EST

"The levelling factor I guess is that I'm using a strat that is good for fighting higher"

Yes... *now*. This is a temporary thing. As time progress, anyone above you in MPR that buys BA will grow stronger faster. As that happens, you will lose the ability to beat them. You will find a point at which your character levels off based on how much you fight.

TheHatchetman January 3 2008 10:52 AM EST

"personally i think the BA cap should be closer to about 60....or 80 tops...especially with the BA refresh up to every 20 mins instead of 10.. "

That's a bit much, but going to 100 seems fair enough (still got some slack, and its a nice round number, complete with 2 round numbers and a funny-looking line ^_^)


"... Anyhow, my point is: without spending usd, to get truly competitive in the game, you need to collect resources and plan things out. That takes some skills and some can do it better than others."

So you're saying CB is almost like a strategy game of sorts? ;P

Ulord[NK] January 3 2008 1:47 PM EST

Exactly my point Hatchet. I don't agree with the OP's point that some nubs have more money than vets and that's not right so I raise that point. Anyhow, 3 years was a big of an exaggeration, I was just trying to say: quite a long time. For me, since I've already made 30mil cash with this ncb after two months, 2 straight ncbs will probably bring in enough cash. Not that I would want to play competitively, sounds like work :/.
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