Thomas Beatie, a married man pregnant with a baby (in Off-topic)


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 27 2008 2:03 PM EDT

Girl.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3628860.ece

Xenko March 27 2008 9:13 PM EDT

Good for him. And boo on the doctor(s) who refused him treatment.

N0seBLeeD March 27 2008 9:56 PM EDT

But he's not really a man. Lol.

Lochnivar March 27 2008 10:00 PM EDT

are you going with the 'Duck' standard of proof Nosebleed?

Cube March 27 2008 10:20 PM EDT

"legally male"
Close enough.

How else could this happen Nosebleed? Of course he wasn't completely male.

Unappreciated Misnomer March 27 2008 10:23 PM EDT

im flashing back to the movie Twins, with danny devito and the governor. Arnold

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 28 2008 4:11 AM EDT

I especially liked things in the report like "his right Fallopian tube".

Really puts a question mark over gender.

How do you determin what gender a human is, if reproductive organs aren't the defining trait? ;)

[LittleRed]Calynne March 28 2008 4:27 AM EDT

So technically he's a she... and she's a lesbian because she married another woman... and now they're having a baby together with donated sperm.

All sounds perfectly normal to me. My only problem is with "mister" Beatie changing his gender. I mean, it isn't like he can use the body parts he's been given like a normal man could... it just made him look the part. He should've stayed a woman and been proud to be in love with another woman. I have yet to see a big deal made of two "women" who have a child together ...

Obscurans March 28 2008 6:07 AM EDT

Usually either genetic, structural or self-identied? If genetic, you fall foul of all the not-XX, not-XY, plus all those testosterone insensitives (they are XY but aren't affected by testosterone so develop "female" since that's the default), androgenized (mother had too many steriods and an XX becomes a "male"), Klienfelter's (XYY), and more. Structurally (which reproductive organs you have) gets shot by the true hermaphrodites, which do exist, if rare. And what about the circumcision accidents... yes they get castrated. Plus the women who have had hyserectomies... still female?

If you count what the other guy says they are, you get these people whose words don't match their genetics, and some who don't identify at all, and you get another problem.

This bipartisan division into "male" or "female" is a big debacle, what's the point unless you want to demonstrate some difference between them, then you use the definition of "male"/"female"/otherwise that matters. If you want to say girls learn faster, then genetics. Girls as a social group, their own identity. There is no unifying definition. Well, Murphy's law.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] March 28 2008 8:07 AM EDT


GL: How many X's, how many Y's?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] March 28 2008 8:33 AM EDT

"the biology of gender is far more complicated than XX or XY chromosomes"

;)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] March 28 2008 10:57 AM EDT

This a non story...
"human is pregnant!!! film at 11"

drudge March 28 2008 11:01 AM EDT

dumb; this definately makes little baby jesus, all swaddled up in his baby blanket, cry.

however in the mony python movie life of brian where dude wants to be loretta, thats funny stuff. wheres the fetus gonna gestate?? u gonna keep it in a box??

drudge March 28 2008 11:03 AM EDT

boo to the doctors that refuses treatmeant? no way man, if some lady or male or gross-gender walked in with a packard bell computer with windows ME installed and said "i think something is wrong" i wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole either.

Obscurans March 28 2008 11:53 AM EDT

http://www.malepregnancy.com/

I saw that a year or so ago. Now that's artificially implanting an embryo into a full male. I really like the "GOD DAMN YOU" comments.

drudge March 28 2008 2:43 PM EDT

dude, you read their about? lol http://www.rythospital.com/about/ a nanobot? lol lol

Don't Panic March 28 2008 3:35 PM EDT

R.T.Y. hospital stuff is all fake, especially the one Obscurans posted about the pregnant man, it's all an elaborate web hoax by some artists.
If you don't believe, you must read:
http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/malepreg.asp

[LittleRed]Calynne March 28 2008 8:43 PM EDT

DP ... you didnt read the article did you. This man carrying a child is a woman who had gender reassignment surgery ... she still has her uterus and for a time still had her own ovaries, until she had an eptopic pregnancy and had to remove them.

Yes, true males cannot become pregnant, but this male is a female in disguise.

[LittleRed]Calynne March 28 2008 8:43 PM EDT

Nevermind. xD

Nani March 28 2008 9:10 PM EDT

[LittleRed]Calynne made an excellent point. Well, you can't really blame them if they feel that they will be more accepted by society if they have a male-female relationship, right?

But I see your point and applaud your comment.

th00p March 28 2008 10:47 PM EDT

Babies come from storks. Why are we arguing?

N0seBLeeD March 28 2008 11:16 PM EDT

There is no argument. If you're arguing the fact that he is a she.... *sighs*

iBananco [Blue Army] March 28 2008 11:18 PM EDT

Transgenders! Females in disguise!
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