New Player Goals (in General)


Godpanda May 22 2008 6:20 PM EDT

Two of them are stupid.

Forging and rentals.


Forging? Give me a break. Take that garbage out. Jon hasn't done anything for forging in months or years, and then ENCOURAGING new players into believing it's a decent alternative to other means of playing is silly and counter productive. Teach them how to use Help! (Like, make them find a link that requires searching through Help!)

Secondly, rentals. Are you -trying- to lower their rewards? With encumbrance out, not only are their PRs going too dang high, but then you wipe out the dang minion equipping it!

They can't win battles with rented weapons, and if they can, they get no rewards.


You're really hurting new players with these two things, especially the ones who aren't spotted by vets and spend weeks with bad weapons, or a month or two forging -_-

Take them out of the goals, or explain the system to them sooner.


If you want new, productive players in game that is.

chuck1234 May 22 2008 6:23 PM EDT

I'll say what, here's an idea, why not provide a forging tutorial to new players when they FINISH their NUB. That way, there's still something new left for them when that NUB crashlanding takes place after 4 months of high flying.

As for rentals, i don't know, this'll take some more discussion....

Godpanda May 22 2008 6:25 PM EDT

Oh, and you shouldn't need evidence of this. Every mentor in the game can tell you new players are doing this. And even if they're doing it for ONE SINGLE DAY it's too long. The NUB puts them on a timer, one that doesn't hold up much room for error.

This is past annoying. This isn't even a stupid tax. This is you telling someone to do something then kicking them in the teeth for reward.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 22 2008 6:26 PM EDT

I'd like to see a group effort to create rental packs for new players.

UC build with near base HG and Gi

Single mage with low NW db or ag

Named MsK and HoC for archers

and a "good luck sucker" button for Melee tanks

This goes along with a long time suggestion of mine concerning adding a user supplied store... but I'll keep harrassing fexy about that.

Wizard'sFirstRule May 22 2008 6:34 PM EDT

user created packs? why not store spawned newbie pack for rent?

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] May 22 2008 6:37 PM EDT

chuck1234, 6:23 PM EDT
I'll say what, here's an idea, why not provide a forging tutorial to new players when they FINISH their NUB. That way, there's still something new left for them when that NUB crashlanding takes place after 4 months of high flying.

As for rentals, i don't know, this'll take some more discussion....


There already is a very good video tutorial on forging in Community.

chuck1234 May 22 2008 7:07 PM EDT

yep, i realised that l8r smallpaul, thnx, perhaps the solution would be to open the forging option only AFTER the NUB ends; this will also provide a small compensation to ppl who feel dejected when their NUB gets over....finally, there will be something to look forward to when the NUB finishes :)

Godpanda May 23 2008 4:11 AM EDT

I won't drop this.

Colonel Custard May 23 2008 6:04 AM EDT

Throwing my support behind this.

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] May 23 2008 6:10 AM EDT

i agree that it should be explained to them but not enforced so early, they will realize whats wrong and think the game is stupid and probably leave.

Windwalker May 23 2008 7:59 AM EDT

Forging! Is counter productive to NUB. Biggest waste of BA besides not using it at all. Teach them how to use Help! (Like, make them find a link that requires searching through Help!) Navigation would help them more than more than banging on that useless piece of armor or weapon. I see these items in auctions from time to time and just shake my head.What a waste.

Godpanda May 23 2008 11:47 PM EDT

Seriously. I WILL NOT drop this.

Godpanda May 26 2008 12:10 AM EDT

Bump.

Poorage May 26 2008 12:13 AM EDT

thats a good idea as long as u dun kill the newbs withy prices

Draugluin May 26 2008 12:17 AM EDT

What prices are you referring to?

Poorage May 26 2008 12:42 AM EDT

Any proposed "newb rental packages".

QBsutekh137 May 26 2008 12:49 AM EDT

Chain, what aren't you dropping?

I agree with you, forging sucks. What do you need us to do? Do I need to schmooze Jonathan with martinis and such? Hm, if I did that I would lament the layers of damage reduction and other step-wise things FAR before I would worry about forging problems.

But yeah, forging is a joke, and I know quite a bit about forging. Learning about it was, sadly, the only way to make it interesting and seemingly worthwhile...

Godpanda May 26 2008 1:42 AM EDT

I just want it out of the tutorial.

8DEOTWP May 28 2008 5:01 PM EDT

didn't we already know this?
It hasn't been fixed since forever, what makes you expect results?

drudge May 28 2008 5:15 PM EDT

all this coming from some noob named 'chain'??! hah

j'bob May 28 2008 6:04 PM EDT

I see a new clan in the near future...
The Chain Gang!

Godpanda May 28 2008 9:40 PM EDT

Nope. Sorry. Not this time. It's got to be fixed if you ever want this game to go anywhere. You don't give a player bad advice from the start and expect them to stick around after following it.

j'bob May 28 2008 10:10 PM EDT

WHOA! this game isn't going anywhere?
Thats it, I want off this ride. I demand retribution!
I want POPcorn!

Underage Drinking [Battle Royale] May 28 2008 11:29 PM EDT

it sounds like a cruel joke. the game tells you that you can do this, just everyone is going to tell you not to. so isnt it funny? there are always new players!

Godpanda May 30 2008 12:55 AM EDT

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AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] May 30 2008 3:57 PM EDT

Jon hasn't forgotten about forging.. it's just difficult to please everybody when it comes to preserving a largely monotonous act, meanwhile trying to interest those people who think that forging sucks because it is a monotonous act. Any ideas on how to make it more fun and suck less?

AdminNightStrike May 30 2008 4:04 PM EDT

Verifex - the monotony of forging has nothing to do with it being a new player goal.

QBOddBird June 1 2008 10:00 AM EDT

I disagree, it does more good than bad

Godpanda June 1 2008 10:08 AM EDT

Barely, and I'm not sure that it doesn't.

QBOddBird June 1 2008 10:10 AM EDT

lol....having a tutorial that offers a few suggestions that need correcting is far better than havin no tutorial at all, Mr. Llama.
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