More Clan and MVP Bonuses (in General)

PeterGriffin July 6 2008 1:24 AM EDT

I would like to make a vote that I think would help and promote clan fighting. I don't have any specific requests just would like to ask for more clan bonuses, individual (MVP) and team (Clan).

It would be nice if players like my self who are sitting at the top of the year MVP for clan would get some sort of extra bonus. Doesn't seem like there is enough interest in players wanting to get to that MVP status. I tried and still try hard to keep it but it is really just for my own satisfaction. I think more players would play longer and harder if more individual bonuses were given out. Also clans as a whole who have the top year or month status should get a bonus. I know BR has been up top for a LONG time, but I think that is only because nobody really cares to try and knock them off.

Please excuse my poor grammar and thank you for reading my post. Oh and I am sure this has been requested before but I just wanted to request it again because of Jon's new partner and with this past HUGE change month it seems like Jon is really working his hiney off to keep the game interesting.

Tchoob July 6 2008 7:47 AM EDT

Actually, that's a nice idea. A 2-5% bonus to day/week/month/year MVPs would be nice.

VivaPinata July 6 2008 8:09 AM EDT

I like this idea, but what about one-people clans?

Tchoob July 6 2008 8:15 AM EDT

Well, what about them? Don't know about Peter, but I meant the top scorers in the whole game, not in a particular clan.

VivaPinata July 6 2008 8:34 AM EDT

Oh, oh. Right. I was thinking anybody who started a clan would get a flat 5% bonus ... meh. But game MVPs. That sounds wonderful :D

j'bob July 6 2008 10:05 AM EDT

"I know BR has been up top for a LONG time, but I think that is only because nobody really cares to try and knock them off."

I HAVE to disagree with this statement. I've been in a clan or two that has taken the top spot here and there. And taking the top spot and keeping it from BR are two very different animals.

BUT, overall I think you're on to a great idea.

Dark Dreky July 6 2008 10:21 AM EDT

One person clans shouldn't exist, IMHO.

QBsutekh137 July 6 2008 11:32 AM EDT

Aw, too bad, Dreky. *smile*

Why shouldn't there be one-person clans? If the clan system is such that I can still get 11-12% bonus, then that tells me that clans are so lame and samey that as a single, dedicated player I can stay in the top 20 clans easier than a group of other players. That's not my fault. Take it up with the way clans are implemented, or that they even exist at all.

Maybe more stuff like mentioned in the OP would help, I just don't think bonuses for doing the best WITHIN a clan should count. If the bonuses are across the board (like a total 2-3% growth), then the reason for it needs to be across the board (as in, MVP across ALL clans, etc.) It doesn't make sense to allow an attribute within a clan to control global rewards. Even a two player clan could just switch off on MVP, thereby manipulating extra bonus.

PeterGriffin July 6 2008 11:02 PM EDT

Does anybody else agree with this thought/idea, it would be nice to get more of the community behind this idea.

Jon or any admins who read this I am very interested in your thoughts considering you are the guys who really control this game.

Thanks again guys.

Colonel Custard July 6 2008 11:39 PM EDT

I like it. I was in a clan back when CB1 shut down where our clan leader gave out prizes for the top scorer for the week. They weren't much (100k a week, I think), but it was nice. And then, when I was top scorer three months in a row, he gave me a named Exec x70 +70 as a Christmas MVP thing.

But yes, I think bonuses for top scorers would be very cool. It could help balance out things with single-person clans. Someone who scores 3500 points a day who's in a less-well-constructed clan could be only getting a 10% bonus for all his work, while a single scoring 2500 points a day could be getting 12%. If the top scorer were compensated, it could help balance out that difference.

PeterGriffin July 8 2008 9:19 AM EDT

I think that if more bonuses were implemented it would have to be just a flat across the board change. No special circumstances for single member clans. Everybody has their own strategy and there is no reason to punish certain players for their ideas on how to play.

Here is my idea and it is just a rough estimate but I think that players would be more willing to play longer and stay in clans if there were more perks to doing so.

I hope Jon and NS will at least give this some thought so thanks again guys.
Clan Bonus Idea
Place Year Clan Rank Year MVP
1st 5% 10%
2nd 4.5% 9%
3rd 4% 7%
4th 3.5% 6%
5th 3% 5%
6th 2.5% 4%
7th 2% 3%
8th 1.5% 2%
9th 1% 1.5%
10th 0.5% 1%

Usul [CHOAM] July 8 2008 9:24 AM EDT

I think Monthly MVP are more fluid than yearly. If it's yearly MVP, don't think the name will change that much. And basically it will be just bonus to the same people at least for a whole year.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 8 2008 9:28 AM EDT

hmm, while i like the general idea, i am not sure about the overall effects of doing this. i think that instead of just adding on to the existing bonus it might be better to revamp the whole clan bonus so that it does not then allow one person to get close to 30% total bonuses.

the other problem that i would foresee is that it gives clan leaders some extra power. imagine if you have some kind of personality conflict or an argument and your clan leader kicks you out just kill off your bonuses. that may be a bit far-fetched of a possibility but if the system allows it...

Tchoob July 8 2008 9:28 AM EDT

Don't think I like boosting the clan bonus higher.
As for MVPs - 10% bonus is extremely high for my liking. Also would like to see bonuses not only for year MVPs, but for week and month MVPs too. A year MVP is such a faraway goal that it is hardly any motivation. That's simply giving the people currently at the top an additional boost.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 8 2008 9:29 AM EDT

just to be clear, i think that the current max of 15% would need to be decreased under any type of integrated system.

PeterGriffin July 8 2008 9:32 AM EDT

Also I just remembered something. I think I remember something from a while back with the clan calculations being very stressful and costly on the server so another idea would be to have the bonuses set per day or per week and not change every hour like the regular clan bonus. I would hope that doing this would help cut back on the costly queries.

Phrede July 8 2008 9:36 AM EDT

I like the idea of rewarding good clan members. I think it should be up to the clan owner/leader to work this out per clan.

In our clan we get really good rewards each month from our clan leader ;-)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 8 2008 9:46 AM EDT

perhaps having multiple ways to get 5% bonuses but cap the total bonus at the 15% max that we have now?

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] July 8 2008 9:46 AM EDT

We used to.

PeterGriffin July 8 2008 9:47 AM EDT

Yes I kinda agree with decreasing the current bonus if any of the MVP bonuses are added. But then again why not, who cares, competition is healthy.

The month MVP I don't quite agree on because in the past I have noticed it and it will jump way up then just drop like a rock. I am assuming it is because of the timing that Jon has it updating and that may be able to be changed. It may even be a better idea to grant a week bonus per week to the past weeks top scores. That one is one that I always look at, I try to be the week winner if I can or at least as close as I can.

Also in my opinion a 30% bonus really isn't that high in this game, it helps but you would have to carry that rank for a long time to get up there. Once you get into the high MPR areas your BA drops so much that it would be easy to knock you off.

Clan Bonus Idea
Place Year Clan Rank Year MVP Month Clan Rank Month MVP Week Clan Rank Week MVP
1st 5% 5% 5% 5% 5% 5%
2nd 4% 4% 4% 4% 4% 4%
3rd 3% 3% 3% 3% 3% 3%
4th 2% 2% 2% 2% 2% 2%
5th 1% 1% 1% 1% 1% 1%
Updates/Changes Monthly Monthly Weekly Weekly Weekly Weekly

And yes I know it isn't very creative but again I am just making ideas not setting the rules. Just throwing some ideas that I think would make this game more competitive.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 8 2008 9:51 AM EDT

"perhaps having multiple ways to get 5% bonuses but cap the total bonus at the 15% max that we have now? "

actually it would be quite cool to have the cap set at the same amount a named roe gives, that would at least give some the option to work hard and get closer to keeping up with someone using a roe at the top.

PeterGriffin July 8 2008 9:54 AM EDT

Yes freed I have heard of clans giving their own rewards but that begins to get old for the owners to have to shell out their own money to reward players over and over, especially when a NUB can come in and be the week MVP for your clan for a long time just because he has more BA.

that was another reason why I was more for promoting the Year MVPs because NUB most likely wouldn't be able to touch that bonus unless they stayed long enough to get it and by then they would have lost their NUB bonus.

PeterGriffin July 8 2008 10:06 AM EDT

A cap may be nice but it would be much better if the cap was determined by your MPR rank, or a avg of MPR and Score Rankings. Reason I say this is because if a cap is put on at 15% flat then that doesn't really do any of the little guys any good. We need ways to earn bonuses to catch up to the big boys without spending our 401k to get there. Here is my idea of a cap suggestion.

Clan Bonus Idea
1-10 20%
11-20 25%
21-30 30%
31-40 35%
31-40 40%
50+ 50%

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 8 2008 10:20 AM EDT

i cannot argue with that, but just usually ask for a little and hope jon gives a lot!

remember though that now at any given time only one clan can be at 15%. if many could get that same fifteen percent and do so more regularly, then even if they ones that were getting it also stayed at the same rate we would all still be better off than we are now. i hope that makes sense.

FailBoat[SG] [Forever Alone] July 9 2008 6:37 PM EDT

Know this is dead but I lead a clan that knocked BR off the top slot. We held it for like two weeks too. <.<

Dark Dreky July 9 2008 8:00 PM EDT

"Take it up with the way clans are implemented"

Yes. Exactly.

A clan by definition implies some sort of group. How can a single person be a clan? (Think outside CB for a second)

PeterGriffin July 14 2008 9:01 AM EDT

"Know this is dead but I lead a clan that knocked BR off the top slot. We held it for like two weeks too."

I was really referring to the Year standings mainly, I don't believe BR has ever been knocked off of the top spot except in the beginning of CB2 and maybe when the big clan score reset happened a few years back.

I am sure you guys have knocked them off of the top spot as far as the daily scores, I know that happens allot. But as far as overall consistency they rule the clan world.

smallpau1 - Go Blues [Lower My Fees] July 14 2008 9:44 AM EDT

Something, anything for the econ clannies, woot! meh...

But seriously, our economic clans need something before anything more gets changed/added to standard clans. WE should get something for MVP before standard clans do IMHO.
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