RoBF Magic Damage Reduction Bug (in General)


Lochnivar July 20 2008 8:18 PM EDT

The bug in question being that my 3.8mil RoBF does not reduce magic damage (at least in tests vs EF, SG, CoC).

After a total of 30 casts (10 EF, 10 SG, 10 CoC) vs my lead minion:
Total Damage:
With RoBF 23,671,063
Without RoBF 24,008,880

A mind blowing 1.5% reduction (and let's face it, that's margin of error territory anyway)....

Versus the individual damage dealers it basically ranged from -5% to +5% difference

According to the change log I should be getting a pretty easy 15% to 20% reduction.

Me and my overpowered RoBF would like our damage reduction as advertised please.

And before anyone asks.... no AMF, identical equip (except the RoBF) on the minion in question.
Also all EF/SG results taken from fights VS Reda Luu (always in Melee 1 & Melee 2).
All CoC damage from fights vs Nocturnal Spagetti in the last round of range and Melee 1.

In both cases the same number of casts from each round were compared.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 20 2008 9:14 PM EDT

i do not really have the time to crunch the data atm, but here is some data from the same opponents (reda luu and nocturnal spaghetti) with and without my robf. i had to replace some minion names with fruit to get past the spell check without major formatting errors.

with robf against reda luu:


banana burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (875118)
orange swung wildly at the pacifist
banana swung wildly at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [566632]
apple touches the pacifist [266534]
peach's shot flew past the pacifist

banana burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (959975)
orange stumbled swinging at the pacifist
banana stumbled swinging at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [874578]
apple touches the pacifist [260985]

banana burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1043781)
orange mistimed his attack at the pacifist
banana stumbled swinging at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [877359]
apple touches the pacifist [232854]
peach's shot went wide of the pacifist
R.I.P. banana

apple's familiar burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1126708)
orange stumbled swinging at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [588327]
apple touches the pacifist [142766]

apple's familiar burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1281730)
orange stumbled swinging at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [878087]
apple touches the pacifist [200241]
peach's shot ricocheted near the pacifist

apple's familiar burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1269068)
orange swung wildly at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [889096]
apple touches the pacifist [196007]
R.I.P. apple's familiar

apple burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1138311)
orange swung wildly at the pacifist
apple touches the pacifist [261869]
peach undershot the pacifist

apple burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1279213)
orange's blow was dodged by the pacifist
apple touches the pacifist [243223]
R.I.P. apple

peach burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (712038)
orange stumbled swinging at the pacifist
peach overshot the pacifist

peach burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (716674)
orange mistimed his attack at the pacifist

peach burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (782824)
orange swung wildly at the pacifist
peach's shot ricocheted near the pacifist

peach burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (677658)
orange stumbled swinging at the pacifist
R.I.P. peach

orange burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (874212)
orange swung wildly at the pacifist

orange burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (862549)
orange mistimed his attack at the pacifist

orange burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (955864)
orange stumbled swinging at the pacifist
orange regenerated 50,791 HP

orange burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (793461)
orange swung wildly at the pacifist
orange regenerated 50,791 HP
R.I.P. orange









no robf against reda luu:

orange's blow was dodged by the pacifist
banana mistimed his attack at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [650489]
apple touches the pacifist [272709]
peach undershot the pacifist

orange's blow was dodged by the pacifist
banana stumbled swinging at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [529117]
apple touches the pacifist [139338]

orange's blow was dodged by the pacifist
banana's blow was dodged by the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [984024]
apple touches the pacifist [160602]
peach's shot ricocheted near the pacifist

orange stumbled swinging at the pacifist
banana stumbled swinging at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [733041]
apple touches the pacifist [240267]

orange mistimed his attack at the pacifist
banana swung wildly at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [713077]
apple touches the pacifist [153330]
peach's shot went wide of the pacifist

orange stumbled swinging at the pacifist
banana's blow was dodged by the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [900432]
apple touches the pacifist [260972]

orange's blow was dodged by the pacifist
banana stumbled swinging at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [821098]
apple touches the pacifist [148849]
peach's shot went wide of the pacifist

orange swung wildly at the pacifist
banana's blow was dodged by the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [933972]
apple touches the pacifist [153049]

orange mistimed his attack at the pacifist
banana's blow was dodged by the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [751327]
apple touches the pacifist [269502]
peach overshot the pacifist

orange's blow was dodged by the pacifist
banana's blow was dodged by the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [881089]
apple touches the pacifist [181246]

orange's blow was dodged by the pacifist
banana swung wildly at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [513747]
apple touches the pacifist [225940]
peach's shot flew past the pacifist

orange's blow was dodged by the pacifist
banana stumbled swinging at the pacifist
apple's familiar touches the pacifist [516626]







no robf versus nocturnal spaghetti:

An Evil Butterfly's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [1991587]

An Evil Butterfly's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [2142510]

An Evil Butterfly's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [2208251]

An Evil Butterfly's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [2085316]

An Evil Butterfly's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [1555934]
An Evil Butterfly cries "Fear the pasta!"
R.I.P. the pacifist








robf versus nocturnal spaghetti:

An Evil Butterfly burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1084820)
An Evil Butterfly's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [2133834]

An Evil Butterfly burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1088376)
An Evil Butterfly's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [1535791]

An Evil Butterfly burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1057700)
An Evil Butterfly's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [2231183]
R.I.P. An Evil Butterfly

Magnificent Macaroni burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1218103)

Magnificent Macaroni burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1090474)
R.I.P. Magnificent Macaroni

Lethargic Linguini burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (935493)

Lethargic Linguini burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (1055190)
R.I.P. Lethargic Linguini

A Buckwheat Brick burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (541443)

A Buckwheat Brick burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (640565)

A Buckwheat Brick burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (507541)

A Buckwheat Brick burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (614054)

A Buckwheat Brick burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (540233)
R.I.P. A Buckwheat Brick

Yukk July 20 2008 9:17 PM EDT

I don't have any fruit on my team, so I'm guessing you aren't actually testing against me.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 20 2008 9:20 PM EDT

as per the statement above:

"i had to replace some minion names with fruit to get past the spell check without major formatting errors."

Lochnivar July 20 2008 10:51 PM EDT

For the record dude... your RoBF isn't stopping any magic damage either it appears.

QBsutekh137 July 20 2008 10:58 PM EDT

There was the bug where the RoBF appeared to be back to well-nigh unstoppable, then it was "fixed". Maybe it just got turned off on the damage reduction? Not sure, I guess I am just bumping here...

Mikel July 20 2008 11:02 PM EDT

Interesting :)

and if it is a bug, good catch, can't wait to see it fixed.

Mikel July 20 2008 11:04 PM EDT

PS looks like another one of those decimal thingies that happens to Jon now and then. :)

lostling July 20 2008 11:14 PM EDT

yea imagine 20% turning into 2.0% =x

Mikel July 20 2008 11:25 PM EDT

lol I don't think we have to imagine it........ :P

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 21 2008 12:48 AM EDT

perhaps this is all my fault due to my post in this thread:

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002TO7

Cube July 21 2008 1:13 AM EDT

Anyone able to test SoD damage?

QBJohnnywas July 21 2008 3:09 AM EDT

Dunno, I've got a 3 million plus CoC and against Dude's char:

The Hawk Of May's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [1369830]
The Standing Stones's Decay hit the pacifist [4026958]
Mist Amongst The Trees burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (869977)

R.I.P. Mist Amongst The Trees

The Hawk Of May's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [1651370]
The Standing Stones's Decay hit the pacifist [1187794]
The Standing Stones burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (942739)


The Hawk Of May's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [1912388]
The Standing Stones burns from the flames surrounding the pacifist (917943)


That looks like I'm being reduced. Especially when I do this against a ToE team:

The Hawk Of May's Cone of Cold hit Butter [2527140]


iBananco [Blue Army] July 21 2008 3:11 AM EDT

That's the AMF.

iBananco [Blue Army] July 21 2008 3:11 AM EDT

Oh wait, scratch that, dude doesn't have AMF anymore.

QBJohnnywas July 21 2008 3:13 AM EDT

I know. :)

iBananco [Blue Army] July 21 2008 3:14 AM EDT

Get some more data points. Damage is too random to conclude anything with just one sample vs. another team.

Godpanda July 21 2008 3:14 AM EDT

Read ALL the pots in the thread? There's tons of data indicating it...

QBJohnnywas July 21 2008 3:17 AM EDT

Against another ToE:

The Hawk Of May's Cone of Cold hit The Guardian Angel [2733521]
The Guardian Angel's Guardian Angel smote The Hawk Of May (34)
The Standing Stones's Decay hit The Guardian Angel [9023]
The Guardian Angel's Guardian Angel smote The Standing Stones (0)

I could provide you with tons of data like this. The RBF is reducing me more than the ToE. Definitely.

QBJohnnywas July 21 2008 3:21 AM EDT

Against another ToE in the first round of melee:

The Hawk Of May's Cone of Cold hit The Wounded Horse [2290121]


Against Dude's char in the first round of melee:

The Hawk Of May's Cone of Cold hit the pacifist [1683237]



iBananco [Blue Army] July 21 2008 3:23 AM EDT

Yes GW, but that those data all indicate the opposite of what JW is trying to prove.

QBJohnnywas July 21 2008 3:26 AM EDT

I'm only saying what I'm seeing. I am wondering if HP is quietly acting as a damage reducer though. Dude does have a huge amount of HP....

But there is definitely reduction going on, when I'm capable of hitting on average of 2 million, and I'm hitting him for average of 75% of that.

Tyriel [123456789] July 21 2008 4:04 AM EDT

Dude also has a MgS and 77 AC to go along with that RoBF.

QBJohnnywas July 21 2008 4:08 AM EDT

Ah. Missed the mage shield!

QBJohnnywas July 21 2008 4:14 AM EDT

So, if Dude can take off the mage shield....then I can do a proper test!!!


It'll be easier for me to test against single minions, cos I've loads on my fightlist all ToE and no AMF. I've a couple of RoE guys too, so Dude, CM later on if you read this to do some testing!

Mikel July 21 2008 7:55 AM EDT

So yes or no? Either way, this is a bump.

QBJohnnywas July 21 2008 8:53 AM EDT

ok, following my slightly embarrassing miss of the mage shield this morning (hey it was before breakfast!) I've just hit Dude's char without mage shield and then without RBF too, and the battles go on long enough for me to see past 'randomness'.

I'm not going to bother posting numbers because basically they'll tell you what Loch describes in the OP. No more than 5% difference.

Lochnivar July 21 2008 3:46 PM EDT

Thanks for the back-up JW!

It is always nice to get independent confirmation of one's theories.

Little Anthony July 21 2008 5:03 PM EDT

Mikel : my DD overwhelmed your RBF :P (imo)

Mikel July 21 2008 5:39 PM EDT

LA, for now :)

Mikel July 22 2008 3:28 PM EDT

Shameless bump

Lochnivar July 22 2008 9:37 PM EDT

that's not a shameless bump Mikel....

... this is

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] July 22 2008 11:49 PM EDT

Maybe this is just an undocumented change

lostling July 22 2008 11:55 PM EDT

somehow i doubt 2% is the intended value =x

AdminJonathan July 23 2008 3:21 AM EDT

fixed post-cache-flush

lostling July 23 2008 3:49 AM EDT

all hail jon! :)

superior me July 23 2008 4:08 AM EDT

lol to fix it you would need to nerf it :)... but all in good time ay :)

Lochnivar July 23 2008 4:19 AM EDT

Fixed indeed!

Quick test against Sundari's CoC, 12 cast with RoBF and 12 without.

28% reduction in damage.

Seems to be just about right.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 23 2008 7:38 AM EDT

woot!
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