PTH versus Evasion (UC, Round 1) (in General)


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 15 2008 2:07 PM EDT

Ding Ding!

OK. I suppose this is either a Nerf Evasion or Buff UC weapon thread. ;)

And this takes no details of any opponents, only my own stats.

With 351,685 UC (after items) I have a UC effect of 33. From post battle stats, this gives me a +39 Weapon.

In contrast, without my HG I have 152,786 UC (Including AoF and EB). 1/3 of this is Evasion.

So I have an Evasion of 50,928. When fighting without my HG, I'm listed as having an Evasion of 32.

So I need 350K in UC weapon to get +39 PTH, while 50K Evasion gives -32. I would only need 82K Evasion to give me -39 PTH.

Surely *something* is off here? Either UC needs to give much more PTH on it's weapon, or Evasion needs it's effect curbed.

Secondly, when I equip my HG again, my Evasion rises to 44. It seems like UC evasion actually does take items that boost UC into account, unlike it should.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 15 2008 2:25 PM EDT

We've known that UC items add to evasion (both PTH and defensive dex) for a while. I'll try and track down the thread later...

I thought UC gave 1.5 times it's level in PTH, and extra 6 PTH doesn't sound right...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 15 2008 2:39 PM EDT

I thought it was 1.2.

Anyway, shouldn't that be buffed? Or is 350K worth of XP based PTH (which you can't overboost, and the new Cloak/Gloves don't help with) supposed to be negated by 80K worth of XP?

PTH to -PTH here, any defensive Dex remarks for other threads please! :P

MissingNo [Battle Royale] August 15 2008 2:42 PM EDT

All I know is Panda who has 2M less level in UC has no problem hitting my evasion.

Colonel Custard [SeeD] August 15 2008 3:07 PM EDT

How big is your Evasion?

My Bonus Melee PTH is right around 300, because my UC is at 247 after item boosts. It is 1.2 PTH per level.

I think UC's PTH is pretty good where it is. Most of the buff requests I've heard for it have to do with the weapon damage, which I would selfishly agree with. Think about it this way, though: put on some +10 HGs, and you've added 15 to your UC level. This translates to +18 PTH just from that. Evasion doesn't have straight-boost items like that (though AoF helps it considerably, as the curve is smaller), but I think it balances pretty well. The other thing I could say is go big or go home. The bigger you get your UC, the more those static effect boosts will help you. At my level, my Combat Gi and my +16 HGs add at least 4mil in actual levels, which translates into a bunch of Eva.

MissingNo [Battle Royale] August 15 2008 3:12 PM EDT

Oh. by Panda, I meant you, CC. Your UC is at 4.4m level after boosts. My evasion is 6.6m level after boosts.

Obscurans August 15 2008 3:25 PM EDT

My UC 174 gives +208, so yeah 1.2/level. And 154 evasion.

MissingNo [Battle Royale] August 15 2008 3:36 PM EDT

Also, just wondering, how well would a ToA monk work?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 15 2008 3:39 PM EDT

"This translates to +18 PTH just from that. Evasion doesn't have straight-boost items like that (though AoF helps it considerably, as the curve is smaller)"

UC Evasion does. ;)

This isn't a me hitting someone else thread.

It's about the current curves of both abilities.

UC as an XP based weapon has a set PTH you can't boost (using Items boosts the UC, giving a larger PTH, but for a set level of UC you can't ever increase the PTH of the UC weapon).

This is a great comparison for XP based Evasions -PTH. As with wepaons, it's hard to tell if your PTH is too large or small to compare to any sized Evasion.

But here, the PTH granted by 350K of XP in UC is negated by 80K of Evasion. Also, UC nearly trained neough Evasion itself to negate itself. If that makes sense.

Is UC, XP for XP supposed to equate in PTH to an Evasion 22% its size?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 15 2008 3:40 PM EDT

"Also, just wondering, how well would a ToA monk work?"

Great. ;)

Sickone August 15 2008 3:42 PM EDT

"Oh. by Panda, I meant you, CC. Your UC is at 4.4m level after boosts. My evasion is 6.6m level after boosts."

Actually, his *RAW* trained UC level is 4.47 mil.
Plus a named +11 or +12 (let's say +12 plus naming that's +13), an unnamed +16 HGs and of course a combat GI.
I can only assume this pushes him nicely into the realm of almost absurdly high effective UC level, like, say, around 7-8 mil ?

MissingNo [Battle Royale] August 15 2008 3:47 PM EDT

Oh... damnit.. that explains a lot of things....

And uh, how great would a ToA monk work? =p

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 15 2008 5:44 PM EDT

Probably not as well as a Gi using one. ;)

Obscurans August 15 2008 5:57 PM EDT

Err my effective UC level is basically 5M (for +208), and from wiki 199 evasion is 4.7M XP so I don't see the curves being too far off... at the mid-high end.

iBananco [Blue Army] August 15 2008 6:39 PM EDT

CC was over 10M effective UC, last I checked. Which was about... a month ago.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 15 2008 7:04 PM EDT

"Err my effective UC level is basically 5M (for +208), and from wiki 199 evasion is 4.7M XP so I don't see the curves being too far off... at the mid-high end. "

Ah!

I'll look back later, when I'm bigger. ;)
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