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Lord Bob August 29 2008 1:15 AM EDT

Who else here saw Obama's speech tonight? I've been an Obama supporter from the beginning, but tonight's speech only cemented my support and respect for this man. And his choice for Vice President, Joe Biden, could not have pleased me more. I've been a Biden fan since long before Obama ever set foot in the Senate. I would have been proud to cast my vote for either one of these men for once in my life. But it's better than that. Now I get to vote for both of them at the same time.

Lord Bob August 29 2008 1:17 AM EDT

"I would have been proud to cast my vote for either one of these men for once in my life."

Oh yeah, I'm from Michigan, so I'm glad these two are appearing on my ballot for the first time ever.

PearsonTritonRaveshaw August 29 2008 2:03 AM EDT

Agreed. I have high respect for Obama, even though some jerk on TV was saying he has zero exp and doesn't know what he is talking about.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] August 29 2008 2:15 AM EDT

Frost August 29 2008 2:26 AM EDT

isnt obama the same as the bush administration....?

InebriatedArsonist August 29 2008 2:30 AM EDT

From what I could gather, it seems that Obama thinks he is running against Bush.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] August 29 2008 2:53 AM EDT

I like Obama, he's a thoughtful guy with some good ideas. I even have a feeling that if some of his ideas don't work, he'll be humble enough to admit it, and try something new.

8DEOTWP August 29 2008 3:35 AM EDT

When did we have an election last where there was someone noble to vote for?

Paddy Boy August 29 2008 8:28 AM EDT

Jimmy Carter

ResistanZ August 29 2008 8:46 AM EDT

I'm an Obama supporter too. I saw a good portion of his speech yesterday accidentally flipping through the channels. I noticed one thing is that he has all these promises to fix things that are wrong with America but he never explains how.

I wish he would have explained his idea of where the money to fund all these things like researching renewable energy sources comes from. I think he has good intentions, but at the same time, he is a player of the political arena and he knows how to play the game.

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] August 29 2008 10:10 AM EDT

I think Animal Farm would be a good book for Mr. Obama to read...

QBOddBird August 29 2008 10:23 AM EDT

Rorschach - everything comes at a cost. You can't lower taxes unless you're making that revenue up somewhere else, for example.


Personally, I don't particularly care how charismatic or smooth our next President is. I'm much more interested in seeing if he can do the job we're electing him for.

(yay, Hillary's gone, I don't have to clarify he/she and him/her any longer!)

Godpanda August 29 2008 1:16 PM EDT

Mmmmm... Obama..... Tasty....

Woot for being registered to vote.

Lord Bob August 29 2008 2:36 PM EDT

"isnt obama the same as the bush administration....?"

Wow. Absolutely no. A whole universe of no.

"From what I could gather, it seems that Obama thinks he is running against Bush."

He is -- John McCain has supported Bush administration policies ~95% of the time. Obama is running against four more years of the same. A John McCain presidency would effective be Bush III.

"When did we have an election last where there was someone noble to vote for?"

This time.

"I wish he would have explained his idea of where the money to fund all these things like researching renewable energy sources comes from."

He did: by not blowing 40 million a month in Iraq, ending tax cuts for the uber-wealthy, and closing tax loopholes.

deifeln August 29 2008 5:31 PM EDT

The war in Iraq will end up costing around 1 trillion....

Even Bush realized this was going to be a problem...too bad he's a puppet.

"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem." ラ George W. Bush, Jan. 2001.

AdminG Beee August 29 2008 6:10 PM EDT

Personality politics FTW - who needs policy when glitz and razzle dazzle is top of the agenda...

InebriatedArsonist August 29 2008 6:18 PM EDT

Verifex:

-Speaking of Cthulhu, I prefer this license plate.

I like Obama, he's a thoughtful guy with some good ideas. I even have a feeling that if some of his ideas don't work, he'll be humble enough to admit it, and try something new.

-He still won't admit he was wrong about the Surge/COIN plan for Iraq, for instance, even though he apparently wants to use the same plan in Afghanistan.

BobRoor

When did we have an election last where there was someone noble to vote for?

-I'm not sure I'd refer to a product of the Chicago machine as "noble."

Lord Bob

He is -- John McCain has supported Bush administration policies ~95% of the time. Obama is running against four more years of the same. A John McCain presidency would effective be Bush III.

-That 95% claim certainly sounds damning, unless you actually look at the underlying numbers as the people at Annenberg Political Fact Check have. Here is an excerpt from their website, accessed today:

The claim is true. According to Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies, in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president's position 95 percent of the time ヨ the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office ヨ and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain's support of President Bush's position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party's position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

Now, seeing as you don't want to vote for someone who's voted with the President, would you vote for someone who voted with the President an average of roughly 40% of the time? If not, you may need to rethink your support for Obama:

When doing so, they may wish to consider that Obama's votes were in line with the president's position 40 percent of the time in 2007. That shouldn't be terribly surprising. Even the Senate's Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, voted with Bush 39 percent of the time last year, according to the way Congressional Quarterly rates the votes.

The McCain campaign points out that Obama told a local TV interviewer recently that "the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I've been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush." Obama was actually wrong about that. In 2006 he voted alongside the president 49 percent of the time, and in 2005, the year before Democrats took control of the Senate, Obama voted with the president only 33 percent of the time.

Using only one year's worth of voting records to claim that McCain "has supported Bush administration policies ~95% of the time" is intellectually dishonest at best. As to the idea that McCain is simply Bush's ideological twin, I can name a number of significant policy disagreements between the two men, so I would refrain from that claim as well.

Lord Bob August 29 2008 6:19 PM EDT

"Even Bush realized this was going to be a problem...too bad he's a puppet."

He knew from the beginning.

"Personality politics FTW"

Who's playing personality politics? I vote only on the issues.

Adminedyit August 29 2008 6:25 PM EDT

i have that bumper sticker on my truck fex! :8^)

i just wish i could get this for a sticker to go with it too.

Photobucket

Lord Bob August 29 2008 6:27 PM EDT

"Now, seeing as you don't want to vote for someone who's voted with the President, would you vote for someone who voted with the President an average of roughly 40% of the time? If not, you may need to rethink your support for Obama:"

What for? Obviously both parties are going to support some bills. 40% and even 49% is much lower than 95, 77, or even 67%.

And at the end of the day it's less about what percentages anybody can come up with (myself included) and more about which policies they support. On most of them, I agree with Obama, and disagree with McCain and Bush.

QBOddBird August 29 2008 7:29 PM EDT

Colonel Custard August 29 2008 7:36 PM EDT

Love it, OB.

TheHatchetman August 29 2008 7:49 PM EDT

His middle name is Hussein!!!! :o

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] August 29 2008 11:14 PM EDT


FOX -- I'll fine myself for posting it.

InebriatedArsonist August 29 2008 11:51 PM EDT


Shamelessly hot-linked from here.

I don't know what you're complaining about, Bast.

Lord Bob August 30 2008 12:15 AM EDT

If you can't see how Fox news has a conservative, Republican bias, then I'm not sure how you see anything, really. It couldn't be more obvious. There isn't even as illusion of fair and balanced journalism on Fox.

Lord Bob August 30 2008 12:15 AM EDT

For the gamers:
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/08/19/mccain-campaign-slams-quotpro-obama-dungeons-amp-dragons-crowdquot

QBOddBird August 30 2008 12:34 AM EDT

I'd just like to mention that being off of oil in 10 years sounds great, as does getting rid of wasteful spending. I'd really like to see the troops removed from Iraq immediately upon the new President taking office without causing unnecessary violence and casualties.

I'd also like to see corruption removed from politics, and I think it would be super-cool to have my DNA enhanced so I could be like Hiro Nakamura.

But enough of these fantasies. We'll talk about real issues now.

Like heavily taxing the upper and middle class incomes (while reducing taxes for 95% of the nation) to equalize the social status. You know, since that's what we want. Personally, I think we should just give all our ownership rights to the government, and allow them to divvy it out equally to everyone. Doesn't that sound ideal? Perfect equality!


Sorry, I have a really hard time being serious. Especially with Obama.
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