Fallout 3 (in Off-topic)


Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] October 31 2008 4:38 AM EDT

Anyone else get it? It's not bad but it just really doesnt have the fallout feel, it's like playing Oblivion with new skins.

The good:

1.Not bad looking, runs well, get a few crashes and small lags. Not bad for a pc past it's prime.
2.The integration of VATS is pretty neato, cutscenes for targeting attacks.
3. They left hookers and swearing in.
4. The junk gun is hilarious
5. Radios good.

The Bad:

1. New pip boy isn't nearly as cool as the old one.
2. Feels like Oblivion.
3. The items from pop culture got genericed, aka Red Ryder BB gun is now BB gun, havent found a single bag of cheesy poofs :(
4. The NPC taunts get increasingly redundant.
5. Whats with the fleshy dripping corpses everywhere?
6. Really really lost some of the creative elements from the original. It's more like fallout tactics that way.
7. Umm whats wrong with dogmeat?

Cube October 31 2008 4:55 AM EDT

My roommate got it for 360.

The graphics are kinda creepy lol. The other night he was playing it and he had to go through a minefield (and he had no explosives skill, so he kept dying to the mines..). Unfortunately, he did a really good job of making the character look like him, so we watched a virtual him die 50 times or so in a row with limbs falling off.. it was really disturbing.

It really does seem like a good game.. just playing it for a long time got really disturbing. The graphics are amazing, humors good, but when you see the 40th head fly off of a rotting corpse it's kinda gross. Oh and the intro was great, starting as a baby.

Never played the old ones so can't compare, but unlike Oblivion theres nothing stopping you from being pure evil killing everyone you see.

And yeah, gotta love the ROCK-IT launcher

Sickone October 31 2008 4:59 AM EDT

I can only repeat what I said somewhere else in much greater detail :

"If you never played any of the previous Fallouts, and if for some twisted reason you ENJOYED the pile of poo-flavored eyecandy Oblivion was, then you'll probably LOVE Fallout 3.
If however you liked Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Fallout Tactics and HATED Oblivion, you will find it very difficult to enjoy Fallout 3."

It seems like a good time to just get the original three instead at 6$ a pop and play those if you don't own (and haven't played them) already. It's a much cheaper and better use of your money.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] October 31 2008 5:10 AM EDT

"It seems like a good time to just get the original three instead "

TWO original TWO. Tactics doesn't even count as a game. It was an embarassment to the franchise.

"It really does seem like a good game.. just playing it for a long time got really disturbing. The graphics are amazing, humors good, but when you see the 40th head fly off of a rotting corpse it's kinda gross. Oh and the intro was great, starting as a baby."

The graphics are allright but I dunno they seem a bit "Flat". Like the texture perspective is off or something. Hehe you obviously didn't play the first two games, half the fun was sawing peoplein half with a chaingun or watching them run around on fire after getting the flamethrower. I Do love the cutscenes in VATS, HEADSHOT BOOM! But seriously, after you finish it. get the first two. They are amazing even at 10 years old.

Oh and I completely forgot 8: Traits are completely gone. Some like bloody mess got turned into perks but umm yeah gone. No more Gifted, no more Fast shot. And unfortunately no more Jinxed, well maybe you run into the paraiah dog and get it

Sickone October 31 2008 5:17 AM EDT

"TWO original TWO. Tactics doesn't even count as a game. It was an embarassment to the franchise."

To me :
Fallout 1 >= Fallout 2 > Fallout Tactics >> Fallout 3
:)

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] October 31 2008 5:32 AM EDT

Nooooo Tactics was horrible! They changed developers and everything got cartoony. That and the HUGE bugs. Not oops crash bugs, I got the infamous oh look you hit the last base and you cant talk to anyone here bug. Geez man if you actually LIKED tactics you would probably love fallout 3. Word on the street is squad tactics once you get npcs. I read your post on the eve boards, and you made alot of assumptions. You can actually switch your viewpoint ala Oblivion to third person fixed or chasecams (wich was incredibly neccesary in Oblivion durr mountain in my way)

a level 20 level cap that'll get hacked off in a short bit? man hacks are going to show up in a week. Fallout has always been a "Equipment at low levels" sorta game, you have no money, no skills but when you get that combat shotgun you sure wont miss those 8 raiders with burst. At higher levels it was all about surviving long enough to take everything out

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 October 31 2008 7:12 AM EDT

"2. Feels like Oblivion. "

Called it, preemptive hate ftw!

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] October 31 2008 7:25 AM EDT

Gah I'm going to be stuck as both good cop and bad cop aren't I?

Good point, you can shoot someones legs out and watch em flop!

Marlfox [Cult of the Valaraukar] October 31 2008 7:29 AM EDT

I've been playing Fallout 1 until I can get a good enough graphics card to run FO3, but if FO3 is anything like the first, I'm going to love it.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] October 31 2008 7:38 AM EDT

Fallout 2 is on a whone nother level of awesome compared to 1. Its around 10 times longer, with waaay more npcs, locations, special encounters, and hookers

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] November 1 2008 6:23 AM EDT

Well I like how as you finish quests it starts to broadcast it on the radio. But dang man I got my legs ripped off by one lurker

Phaete November 1 2008 7:43 AM EDT

I am actually enjoying Fallout 3, just like i enjoyed Fallout 1 AND Oblivion (and Daggerfall and Morrowind).
But i am a casual gamer, not hardcore.

PearsonTritonRaveshaw November 1 2008 11:09 PM EDT

I'm enjoying it very much.

"he did a really good job of making the character look like him, so we watched a virtual him die 50 times or so in a row with limbs falling off.."

That just cracked me up man. xD

For those of you who haven't played it, think S.T.A.L.K.E.R. meets Oblivion. I think that's an excellent description.

Hey, if obtaining a house in the game were as easy as it was in real life, I'd be set! Of course, I would need to know how to disarm a nuclear bomb in order to get a house, because that's what I did to get my house in Fallout 3. There is this town that built their city around a nuclear bomb... Not really the best of places, if you ask me...

And I agree with those of you who said starting as a baby was great. I really liked it myself.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] November 1 2008 11:17 PM EDT

NOTHING can beat arriving in a city, defeating the sheriff with a sledgehammer to steal his hat, and then going berzerk on the helpless residents, who scream as their heads explode from your righteous blows. While listening to cold war era music.

This is my best gaming experience to date.

Goodfish November 1 2008 11:30 PM EDT

People who are "fanbois" of series really need to get a little more open-minded. Fallout 3 is a phenomenal RPG-slash-shooter, and so what if it feels like Oblivion? So far, the game is incredibly fun and rewarding, not to mention challenging. Whoever said, in so many words, that Oblivion is a piece of crap needs to get their brains checked out. PC version + FCOM = win.

Console versions of games always suck, 'nuff said.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] November 1 2008 11:33 PM EDT

Nothing wrong with Oblivion on a console...with F3 neither. I thought they were very good ports. Lacking mods, but solid.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] November 2 2008 12:35 AM EDT

I think most people were disappointed with Oblivion because it wasn't Morrowind. No, Oblivion wasn't Morrowind, it was IMHO a great game however. I haven't got FO3 yet, but I also expect it to be a great game. This is my thought, this is my thought.

Sickone November 2 2008 1:08 AM EDT

What's wrong with feeling dissapointed when a sequel feels inferior to its predecessors ?

I actually started playing Fallout 1 again, but even if the graphics are horrible and the controls awkward by TODAY'S standards, and even if I have already played it at least twice (so I kind of know what to do) I still ended up enjoying it more than I enjoyed my three days of Fallout 3 (which is now uninstalled after it started crashing a lot more often too, to the point of becoming unplayable unless I quicksave every couple of minutes and reboot in between because it messed up the OS so badly every other game gets heavy graphical glitches after a FO3 crash).

Yeah, sure, if you NEVER played any of the first ones, and if you're a typical member of today's "young-ish" gaming crowd, then of course you will like Fallout 3.
Just like you probably liked "Starship Troopers" the movie if you never read the book. But if you read the book, you'd feel like shooting the people that made the movie.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] November 2 2008 1:02 AM EST

Uninstalled already? You even get to rivet city yet? The big ship is neato. I sawed my first limb off with a minigun, THAT was a riot.

The lack of skill books is incredibly annoying tho. same with the lack of fun perks, level 7 and I've taken all of 2 perks.

Goodfish November 2 2008 3:13 AM EST

Skill books crop up relatively often if you search; I've gotten over a dozen so far.

Perks get very nice above level ten or so. The early ones aren't meant to be fantastic but more to give you slight power boosts. Wait until 10 and snag "Here and Now".

Sickone, you aren't getting what I'm saying. Saying Fallout 3 doesn't stack up to its predecessors isn't really saying much. The game itself got a ridiculous overhaul. I don't care if it's "true to its roots", it is a totally awesome game nonetheless. If Fallout 1/2 are what you're into, then go ahead and play them, but ragging on 3 because "it isn't the same" is kind of a lame reason to dislike a game. It'd be like me ripping on my favorite band's newest album because their sound has progressed.

Today I got slaughtered by a nest of Super Mutant Masters, two with Miniguns. Well, actually, I killed them all... but then a Behemoth shows up out of nowhere and one-shots me.

This game is awesome.

Phaete November 2 2008 3:18 AM EST

Sickone 1:08 AM EDT

Yeah, sure, if you NEVER played any of the first ones, and if you're a typical member of today's "young-ish" gaming crowd, then of course you will like Fallout 3.

WRONG again Sickone.
Old generation (think playing X-COM in your teens/twenties) and i still like Fallout 3 a lot.
I just don't keep hanging on old sentiment and can play sequels without prejudice.
It must really bug you that not all people are like you.

Sickone November 2 2008 4:07 AM EST

Flatcap :

I made two playthoughs up to a certain point, one on the "good" side (starting with disabling the bomb) and one on the "evil" side (blowing up Megaton). I put maybe 30 hours of gameplay in it for the three days it was installed (10 hours on "purely good", rest of roughly 20 on "somewhat evil topped occasionally with a lot of evil").

Yes, I went to a lot of locations, and yes, some looked really nice even on the next-to-minimal graphics settings I had to play the game on.
I got to use a lot of weapons, including miniguns, flamers, even rocket launchers. No railway rifle and no fatman though, but those seem like just overkill from what I've seen before playing the game (in demos and such).
Just as the game STARTED to feel at least a bit decent, it started with the crashes (and quite ugly crashes) out of the blue and increasingly often as I tried playing it.
That's when I uninstalled it. Just not worth it.


Phaete :

So, can you honestly tell me Fallout 3 couldn't have been easily be made a lot better if they took more of the things that made the originals fun and took a lot more of the "Oblivion" out of it ?

So, you would disagree if I said, for instance, that the fact you *have* to repair your gear constantly yourself isn't a good thing, when considering your carry weight is LESS than that in Fallout 1 and you have to haul along duplicates or triplicates for "spare parts" ? Yeah, sure, you could just use the merchants (but it costs a lot of cash) or only repair yourself whenever you find freshly dropped duplicates, but then you are either FORCED to pick and max the repair skill as soon as possible or just serenely accept that most of the time the weapons and armor will operate well below peak capacity.
How about, you know, having the OPTION to dismantle any item and keep JUST the "spare parts" you might need ? Or how about just dropping the whole "must repair stuff" idea and going sparingly with the item drops in the first place ?
Also, what's with the "25/50/75/100" difficulties on locks/terminals ? Hey, look, how fun, I got to 49 skill but it's COMPLETELY POINTLESS ! No, don't make the puzzles easier/harder depending on lock difficulty, let's have a binary can/can't do it challenge instead !

For all the effort they already put into the game, you'd think they could have taken a FRACTION of that effort and applied it WHERE IT MATTERS.
They apply a lot of realism, but only in the most annoying of places... while at the same time, realism is completely glossed over wherever it doesn't suit them.
Fallout 3 is a "consolified" game, a dumbed-down version of what it could have EASILY been, and I can only hope the modding community WILL eventually step in and make all those changes that the devs were too indolent to make in the first place.
Then and only then will Fallout 3 be a game WORTH playing the way the old ones were (and still are) worth playing.

You might be fine with mediocrity, and I am guilty in indulging in some myself (especially when it comes to entertainment) every now and then, but that doesn't mean I am incapable of recognizing it when I see it.
And just because Fallout 3 might still be (sadly) one of the better games out this year for the PC, that still doesn't mean I should just step on my pride and declare it a "good" game when it isn't.

I didn't say I haven't enjoyed the game AT ALL. I expected it to be dumbed down. I feared it would end up even worse as it ended up.
Not that the game is BAD. It's not bad. It's mediocre towards slightly above average.
But it could have been GREAT with the smallest of tweaks. When I know for sure that the game could have been so much better with little additional effort, that really makes me go berserk.


P.S. Can you even GET a vehicle in Falout 3 ? I never got to the point where I would see any available. The car (and the fact it had limited fuel) was probably one of the most awesome features in the original (with the trunk and all that). Oh, well, I guess you don't NEED a car when you can just almost instantly teleport to anywhere you want and then back to your house and the safe there... pfft.

QBOddBird November 2 2008 11:03 AM EST

"Also, what's with the "25/50/75/100" difficulties on locks/terminals ? Hey, look, how fun, I got to 49 skill but it's COMPLETELY POINTLESS !"

I haven't played Fallout 3, but this was the case in 1 and 2. I didn't mind it.

Don't forget, your most important attribute is INTELLIGENCE!

Cube November 2 2008 12:49 PM EST

You're complaining about the condition on your weapon going down? Really now, I thought that was an awesome part of the game. Never being in your comfort zone.

As for crashes.. that's why consoles are nice, compatibility.

How can you complain about not being to open every lock or retry computer hacking, are you just a perfectionist? Is it so horrible that you can't get every item in the game?

What's so horrible about enemies getting harder...? You still get relatively better.

Lastly, I can tell you at least the console version doesn't waste your Action Points. And well if you don't like shooters you probably aren't going to like a hybrid.. but that's not majority opinion by far.

Honestly, all your complaints seem very minor, to completely bash a perfectly good game.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] November 2 2008 1:25 PM EST

"You're complaining about the condition on your weapon going down? Really now, I thought that was an awesome part of the game. Never being in your comfort zone."

It gets really old. It would be bad enough if it had one consumable like Oblivion but noo it takes like 3 guns to get one fixed a bit.

"How can you complain about not being to open every lock or retry computer hacking, are you just a perfectionist? Is it so horrible that you can't get every item in the game"

Yes.

"What's so horrible about enemies getting harder...? You still get relatively better. "

It's not that enemies get harder, it's that THE SAME enemies get harder. In the series normally as you travel farther into the wastes enemies progress but you'll still get weaksauce raiders you can saw in half 30 at a time back towards the vailt

Goodfish November 2 2008 1:52 PM EST

I personally like the repairing idea; it's much more "realistic" than things that don't wear down, and it teaches you to use your rare/powerful weapons conservatively.

My one beef is the minigames for lockpicking and hacking; the 25/50/75/100 breakdown is less than ideal, but I can understand why they did it. It'd be nice to see a smoother curve (maybe a slight ramp in difficulty every 5 levels instead of 25?), but really it's no big deal. You'll want to hit 100 in both skills anyways, so if you wind up with 49 Lockpicking at some point, you know you'll upgrade it again eventually! ;)

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] November 2 2008 3:49 PM EST

well at least theres books for it and gear that adds to it. I'm happy I grabbed one of every vault suit before I left, it's come in handy

Gandalf November 2 2008 4:37 PM EST

I've only played it 5 hours - but i love it.

A challenging game at last - i've had few times....

Just walked upon a giant rad scorpion - it kinda killed me lol.

Never played the first 2 - but this is really great love the fact just roam around were you want :)

Great game from me :)

Gandalf November 2 2008 4:38 PM EST

I've died*

Sorry for double post

Phaete November 2 2008 5:35 PM EST

Sickone:

I understand what you are saying, but that argument could hold over almost anything that mankind has created that is just a bit complex.
Almost anything can be improved and/or customised to personal liking.

I'm enjoying it fully, and take it's limitations for what they are.
With no illusion to reprogram the game to my own liking, i just enjoy the hell out of playing it.

I guess i had no real expectations of it, as i never knew it was coming (not a hardcore gamer, i don't follow releases, i just let them surprise me) and therefore it hit me good :)

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] November 3 2008 4:48 AM EST

I'm actually using the fps elements a bit. Like for headshots on partially blocked targets with the sniper rifle. And I just found out you need "Training" to use power armor. that really blows. Now I need to find out who to get the training from. I hope it wasnt from the dude I found dead in the train station after a super mutant assault, that would really blow.

But seriously whats up with the bobbleheads. I've found two so far and I find myself obsessivly searching for more everywhere I go, even the nuko cola factory. And yet only two.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] November 3 2008 10:44 AM EST

Power training: (Don't read if you don't want any outside help!)

Elder Lyons from the Citadel will give you permission to get Power training. (From another character who is clearly identified then.)

So you are not screwed at all :)

Goodfish November 3 2008 1:00 PM EST

I just got the Power Armor training... Tesla Armor FTW!!!!!

Goodfish November 5 2008 11:23 PM EST

Beat the game. TOTALLY underwhelming. I'm very upset there's no ability to continue gameplay after the story is completed. It also seemed to end very, very abruptly. Over the course of about an hour, it went from feeling like I was just getting in to the action to being entirely over.

So I'm starting over. Metagaming ftw!

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] November 6 2008 3:59 AM EST

umm yeah I almost accidentally finished the game last night. I was just roaming around and ran into the garage, next thing I know bam back in the main quest and bypassing a whole bunch of it. I swear the main mission is like herpes, it keeps coming back.

Did finally find dogmeat tho :P and he immediately tried attacking a supermutant behemoth and got gutted. Pretty nifty he can find stuff for you tho, even in locked stuff, thats one tricky dog

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] November 6 2008 1:39 PM EST

The workbench really made me smile when I got my first schematic.

Flatcap [East Milwaukee Devival] November 7 2008 4:13 AM EST

I was grinning like an idiot the first time I loaded the Rock It Gun with teddy bears and cleared out some raiders with it :)
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