T34: Duct Tape Wars (in Contests)

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 3 2008 1:45 PM EST

T34: Duct Tape Wars

This tournament will end on the 10th, it has already begun (/facepalm)

You may not use Decay

You may use lesser tattoos

You may not buy items via auctions from any player participating in the tournament, including yourself.

You may not sell items to the store with your non-tournament character, in order to buy them or transfer them to another tournament character.

You may not retire your tournament character unless you plan on creating a new tournament character, or quitting the tournament. Please chatmail Slayer333 if you retire your tournament character early.

You must use at least 1/2 of the BA cap to be eligible for a prize in any tournament.

You may not intentionally "gimp" a character so that it is beatable by tournament characters.

You must have two minions, one of them must exclusively train EC

How Do I Win?

Have the highest win/loss ratio!
You may only fight other tournament characters after the 5th of November.

Set One:
A Blacksword of Nan Elmoth [92x125] (+20)
An Enforcer's Crossbow [4x59] (+18)
A Tattoo of Augmentation lvl 314,189

Set Two:
An Amulet of Invisibility [0] (+10)
A Cloak of the Istari [6] (+3)
One Million CBD.

Set Three:
A Mageseeker [5x350] (+46)
A Pair of Beleg's Gloves [3] (+11)
A Helm of Clearsight [-5] (+8)

Tournament by: Novice

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] November 3 2008 1:47 PM EST

You must use at least 1/2 of the BA cap to be eligible for a prize in any tournament.

Whats the cap?

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 3 2008 1:49 PM EST

the BA cap should be at 2500 now, I retired everyones characters because I altered the bonus and BA cap, I'll add an extra day to the tournament as well, I thought I had this set to begin next week :x

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 3 2008 1:49 PM EST

it is showing my t character as retired after i just got my lesser, say it isn't so!

Brakke Bres [Ow man] November 3 2008 3:20 PM EST

all lesser tattoos? sweet ^

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 3 2008 3:22 PM EST

i started a new character and already got another lesser. since there aren't many available though, if ya can pull mine off my retired t34 character, please put it in auctions so someone else can get one.

winner winner November 3 2008 3:28 PM EST

Do stalemate and draws count as losses?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 3 2008 3:32 PM EST

won / total battles - won

if i remember correctly, not sure though.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 3 2008 3:35 PM EST


and we'll see if I can get lesser tattoos for everyone from Jon, I've asked already

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 3 2008 3:39 PM EST

Participation prize is still BA based, 85% of total BA must be used

winner winner November 3 2008 4:46 PM EST

I don't think that only allowing fights against other tournament characters is bad since there are only 4 tournament characters right now.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 3 2008 4:48 PM EST

You have until the 5th to fight normal characters

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] November 3 2008 5:29 PM EST

We need tat's

Wizard'sFirstRule November 3 2008 5:50 PM EST

I actually have exams coming up. have fun on this tourny.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 3 2008 6:01 PM EST

plenty of tats out there... make a FS/WTB asking people to put them in auctions

winner winner November 3 2008 6:57 PM EST

So this tournament ends on Monday, November 10th?

winner winner November 3 2008 6:58 PM EST

Sorry, didn't see it at the top.

Conquest November 4 2008 11:56 AM EST

Retired. Not gonna have time this week to finish this tournament. That and my cpu is acting up.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 4 2008 12:13 PM EST

weak... retiring is kinda mean spirited in a t where you have to fight only other tourney chars... hopefully he'll be the last...

I'd like to see the next tourney restrict attacking other tourney chars entirely...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 4 2008 12:16 PM EST

i agree, i wish there was some way that slayer could keep the retired characters alive for fodder at least, since we really don't get all that many participants. transfer them and keep them alive!

winner winner November 4 2008 9:13 PM EST

can I hit non tourney characters on the 5th?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 4 2008 10:21 PM EST

usually this means that after midnight on the fifth, server time, you can only attack other tourney characters.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 5 2008 2:19 AM EST

until the 5th? that reads to me like we're stuck as of two hours ago

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 5 2008 6:49 AM EST

midnight on the 5th, since the tourney was extended by a day.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 5 2008 6:50 AM EST

you are correct, i read it as they have been in the past which has been after a certain date. i would play it safe and just fight t characters. in the future, setting noon server time on a certain date would alleviate this issue.

Rawr November 5 2008 8:38 PM EST

Jeez people are so much higher than me in the tournament!

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] November 5 2008 8:43 PM EST

This tourney got lame quick after everyone went out to purchase the biggest lesser.

winner winner November 5 2008 8:45 PM EST

What's wrong with purchasing the biggest lesser?

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] November 5 2008 10:19 PM EST

Its not fair, why dont you think were normally not allowed to use tats? Not everyone can get them. Plus it drives the price up. Just think of the nubs that could not get a tat because people like me entered this tourney 8 times and bought 8 lesser's. I think slayer should of got a set of base tats and passed them out as people created charactors and that would be the tat your stuck with no upgrading.

winner winner November 5 2008 11:40 PM EST

Why would someone enter this tournament 8 times and buy 8 lessers?

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] November 6 2008 9:40 AM EST

Thats really beside the point.

QBJohnnywas November 6 2008 9:45 AM EST

Why would somebody enter 8 times? That's just...odd.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] November 6 2008 9:49 AM EST

I'll just talk to slayer about it.

Rawr November 6 2008 9:54 AM EST

Uhm, aren't you only allowed to fight tournament characters after the 5th? Defiant is still attacking regular people

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 9:55 AM EST

i had a dream...

back when jon originally asked for ideas on tournaments, i believe i posted most of what follows, but there may be some revisions now that i have played many of them.

for tournaments to truly be fair and fun for all, i think slayer needs to have a tournament creation page with check boxes or drop downs for all of the variables including equipment. so for this current tournament, he would choose number of minions ~ 2. limits on skills, spells & ability. minion 1 can "only" train "ec" minion 2 can train "any."

each t member will spawn with ~ lesser tat of choice. (in this section it would have checkboxes for all items in game. if it would be too hard for jon to program the tat of choice, then tournaments would just have to be more specific where we all have the same tat to work with.

participants would basically spawn with the items needed for the tournamnet, and no other transactions would be allowed for tournament characters other than through the blacksmith. no auctions and no store purchases.

we could change minion order, but if chosen by the tournament master, then we would only be able to train certain skills, spells or abilities and this would be set on a per minion basis.

i wish this would have been implemented from the start. i know that now it would likely be a lot of work for the amount of participation in tourneys, but i do think with fairer, easier to implement and monitor tournaments we would have more participation.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 9:59 AM EST

^there would also be options for duration, bonus amount, both xp and monetary, as well as starting ba, ba cap, etc.

Rawr November 6 2008 10:00 AM EST

Am I wrong?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 10:01 AM EST

you are correct, pm him and make sure he knows the rules and if he doesn't stop then pm slayer. that is how most of us usually handle these things.

Rawr November 6 2008 10:02 AM EST

Ok, will do

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 6 2008 10:13 AM EST

crap, I just nuked my chance... learn me to wake up and fight before I'm awake enough to remember I need to change my fightlist...

{CB1} DeFiAnT [Jago] November 6 2008 10:19 AM EST

I've screwed up and forgot to update my fightlist so I'm going to drop out of the tournament. Sorry everyone. Best of luck to all!

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 6 2008 10:22 AM EST

Yep, this one is going to be a one or two person fight list grind...

No more of these tourneys until we figure out how to get some more people into the T.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 10:23 AM EST

the idea was solid and fun though! ; )

Rawr November 6 2008 10:35 AM EST

Same with Solare :(

TH3 C0113CT0R November 6 2008 10:38 AM EST

I think it would attract more if it was like a separate "Realm" so it was only tournament characters with Dudemus' idea for setting it up. that would be kinda cool, I dunno, just thought like adding my 2 cents

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 6 2008 10:40 AM EST

take dudes idea and allow the settings to be altered by mortals...
scrimmage style tourneys!

Setup an hour long tourney where you start with 5m mpr chars and massive weapons!....*drrroooool*

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 1:40 PM EST

oh, thanks nov, that was in my original idea way back when to be able to start people with an adjustable amount of xp as well!

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 6 2008 2:43 PM EST

I'd love to have what you described, and I've asked for things along those lines, but that takes a lot of work and Jon has other things in mind for CB as well :)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 6 2008 3:45 PM EST

So what about this tourney?

Who didn't end up fighting non T chars after midnight for at least 10 fights?

winner winner November 6 2008 3:46 PM EST


AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 6 2008 3:48 PM EST

Didn't SK... not did... I assumed you're saying that you remembered to only fight T chars as of 11:59?

winner winner November 6 2008 3:49 PM EST


AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 6 2008 4:04 PM EST

Might it be possible to still get the participation prize even if we've disqualified ourselves by making this mistake?

winner winner November 6 2008 4:13 PM EST

Is RoBF damage reduced by AC?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 6 2008 4:14 PM EST


I figure if I'm disqualified from winning, then me fighting isn't fair... I'm done.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 4:56 PM EST

i would think that with the mistakes getting this thing rolling, or heck even without those, that slayer would be fairly forgiving...i know i am. i guess we await word from him though.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 6 2008 6:29 PM EST

Because people have already retired because of rule infractions, I'll enforce the no non-tourney characters rule, I don't think we will use this one in the future though.

If you have fought a non-tournament character, please retire and feel free to begin a new character.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 6:53 PM EST

perhaps we should rename this one the attrition tourney! it would be quite difficult to start over at this point with the tourney character only rule in place. i hope the character you created can be attacked slayer.

Solare November 6 2008 6:54 PM EST

Serialkiller's character used Decay against me for a time. If my character is being retired for such a minor reason, I think its only fair to disqualify him as well, even if he only used it for a few matches before I told him to stop.

winner winner November 6 2008 7:20 PM EST

huh, I fought against you with decay for 2 fights because I thought the rule said that decay can be used, and you fight against non-tournament characters for 100+ fights. I don't really think it's fair to make me retire my character.

Solare November 6 2008 7:26 PM EST

Yeah it is, the rules about when you could no longer fight non-tourny chars wasn't really clear to begin with, "after November 5th" means after midnight, so I really didn't take it into account to think it meant EST or 'server time.' It was an easy mistake to make, and its not like it had a huge impact on my performance. And once I got a message saying I shouldn't be fighting them, I stopped.
So something as insignificant as fighting against me 3 times with Decay, should also cause you to be disqualified. Bull crap? I agree; but, if they're going to take the rules to the extreme for me, why shouldn't they for you as well?
It's simply not fair.
And why is novice's character still up and running? I thought he forgot to change his fight-list? Shouldn't his character be DQ'd as well?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 6 2008 7:28 PM EST

sorry forgot to retire...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 8:03 PM EST

slayer will have to decide, there is no reason to argue the matter here.

winner winner November 6 2008 8:06 PM EST

"so I really didn't take it into account to think it meant EST or 'server time."

If you didn't know, server time and EST are the same.

Solare November 6 2008 8:08 PM EST

Yes, I'm aware of this; and no, that isn't my argument.
As dudemus says, this matter will be up to slayer to decide. Though I hope that decision is a fair one.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 8:11 PM EST

fair is a relative term, there is a precedent from other tournaments that if someone makes a simple mistake, it does not go on for long and they stop when asked, that it is not a reason to disqualify that character. so fair in the historical sense with tournaments might not be fair in your eyes for this tournament. i am glad it is not me deciding, especially since i can greatly benefit by the decision made.

Rawr November 6 2008 8:18 PM EST

Likewise :)

Solare November 6 2008 8:24 PM EST

dudemus: "there is a precedent from other tournaments that if someone makes a simple mistake, it does not go on for long and they stop when asked, that it is not a reason to disqualify that character."

I agree, but if this is true, then I shouldn't have been disqualified in the first place. I think the same precedent should hold for everyone. And you seem to agree with me here, so there is nothing to argue about.

winner winner November 6 2008 8:25 PM EST

except that you fought around 160 battles and I fought 3

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 6 2008 8:27 PM EST

very true and if i seem to be arguing i apologize. for future reference though all times usually listed in cbland are server time. ; )

Solare November 6 2008 8:29 PM EST

You're arguing against yourself, because thats not the point I'm making. I was replying to dudemus's statement that 'if the person stops when asked' which I did. I hadn't even realized I had made a mistake in the first place. It's not just that I was disqualified going by that 'precedent'; however, if the rules are to be so strictly enforced, then any minor infringement should thusly be handled in the same manner. THAT is the argument I'm making. Don't compare the number of battles; that is irrelevant to what I'm saying.

winner winner November 6 2008 8:31 PM EST

It's up to Slayer to decide.

Conquest November 9 2008 8:56 PM EST

Boy I am glad that I chose to not plod through this tourney! Looks like it didn't go so well.

Rawr November 9 2008 10:03 PM EST

So SK is still eligible? Just out of curiosity.

winner winner November 10 2008 2:52 PM EST

I guess since I haven't been retired before, I'll take Set Three.

Rawr November 10 2008 6:45 PM EST

Who won?

winner winner November 10 2008 7:13 PM EST

I came in first
dudemus got 2nd
Raw got 3rd

Rawr November 10 2008 7:21 PM EST

I want set two or three! :)

Rawr November 10 2008 7:28 PM EST

set one sucks :(

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 10 2008 7:37 PM EST

i would like set number two please.

Rawr November 10 2008 7:42 PM EST


winner winner November 12 2008 5:50 PM EST

anyone get prizes yet?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 13 2008 6:15 PM EST

not me, i sent slayer a pm yesterday around this time with no response as of yet.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] November 13 2008 8:00 PM EST

sending them out now

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] November 13 2008 8:24 PM EST

Thank you Slayer!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] November 13 2008 8:56 PM EST


winner winner November 14 2008 3:07 PM EST

thanks :)
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