SG and AMF (in General)


Godpanda December 9 2008 2:12 PM EST

Now, I've been hearing a-lot about how SG is too powerful lately. And while I'm not sure where I stand on that issue, I DO remember doing research when it first came out show put it's weakness to AMF about that of MM (as in, very little).

Perhaps this should be looked into and the effect AMF has on it should be increased. Right now, SG can just power right through AMF (especially against AC, of course).

I don't know. Should be looked into, perhaps.

BadFish December 9 2008 3:49 PM EST

What exactly about SG is too powerful? Nothing in the wiki says anything about increased effectiveness vs. AMF. Someone needs to explain this to me, because I never understood it.

Cube December 9 2008 3:52 PM EST

Base AC will increase the damage SG does, but not the Amf backlash.

QBJohnnywas December 9 2008 3:54 PM EST

Thing is about SG and AMF is that the backlash you get isn't anywhere near what you get if you use CoC, even though one against one their damage is comparable.

Chuck on a decent sized pair of NSCs and an SG mage is pretty much invulnerable to AMF.

Godpanda December 9 2008 3:56 PM EST

No no. Every spell gets hit harder by AMF (basically, at equal levels, AMF wil cast at higher levels against certain spells).

It used to be MM, then fireball, then CoC in order from weakest hit to hardest hit. Then SG came along and slid in -right- at the edge of MM, offering the huge melee damage of CoC without the massive AMF backlash.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] December 9 2008 6:07 PM EST

That's because the Backlash of SG is based upon its base damage potential, not the boosted Damage it can get when hitting minions wearing AC.

In effect, it has a built in set of NSC, which gets larger the more AC your opponent has.

Good isn't it.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] December 9 2008 7:07 PM EST

I see amf return that's close to my damage output. Invunerable SG isn't. Even with 9m hp my familiar toasts itself rather quickly. Yes it's better than CoC against AMF, but the damage output isn't always the same, or even close against all targets. I've offered many suggestions to help people who are weak against SG, but making it just another victim of AMF as an offence isn't going to help balance things

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] December 9 2008 7:46 PM EST

http://www.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002apz

perhaps that will get implemented and help matters out a bit with sg.

Sacredpeanut December 10 2008 2:18 AM EST

SG does more damage than CoC against only a handful of the top 25 teams.

IMO there is no problem with one DD being stronger against AMF than other DD's. After all, variation in the characteristics of each DD makes DD spell choice more interesting.

lostling December 10 2008 3:29 AM EST

the BOOSTED damage doesnt get returned by AMF only the base damage... a SIMPLE fix would be to allow the boosted damage to be affected by AMF

TheHatchetman December 10 2008 3:39 AM EST

yes and no... if AMF backlash went up by the same percent it's damage did, then that would make just about any SG mage nothing more than a firecracker... Though linking the boost to the backlash at say 25% may be nice ^_^
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