Question on Unarmed Combat (in General)

Thak April 3 2009 3:23 PM EDT

I see alot of people using ranged weapons with unarmed combat.
Isn't that being armed with a weapon and negates being UNARMED.

If you come across someone on a battle field and see they have a bow and arrow of some sort your not going to consider them unarmed you will consider them armed.

I dont see anything in the wiki under the ranged weapons regarding penalty for wielding range weapons with unarmed, is there one?

QBsutekh137 April 3 2009 3:26 PM EDT

UC is considered a melee weapon.

Folks can wield both a ranged weapon and melee weapon, and always have. Neither weapon has penalties just because the other type exists in the arsenal.

In that light, it doesn't seem strange. Just remember that UC is considered melee, and it all makes sense.

As for an archer being considered, unarmed, you have a point. *smile* Don't necessarily see a lot of archer-monks in the movies...

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 3 2009 3:29 PM EDT

Is punching with a fist 'armed' combat? How about knuckle dusters? Punch daggers? Hitting someone while wearing a Plate Gauntlet?

UC has it's own meaning in CB. which is Melee round Physical attacks that use a trained skill and not a NW based 'weapon'.

The Ranged rounds don't figure into this at all.

Besides, you can used "Ranged" weapons in "Melee" combat in CB. I mean wat?

chaosal April 3 2009 3:32 PM EDT

but that leads to an interesting thought-

UC is essentially a weapon in the form of a skill. The strength of the weapon is the strength of the skill, but it requires the physical attributes of the wielder to be useful at all. What about a weapon in the form of a tattoo? e.g. "Sword Familiar" where the strength of the sword depends on the level of the tat, but in the end it performs the function of a weapon wielded by a minion. just a random thought.

Eurynome Bartleby [Bartleby's] April 3 2009 3:33 PM EDT

UC should be renamed: ''Fisticuffs.''


Thak April 3 2009 3:35 PM EDT

K but what is the reasoning behind it applying to only melee combat?
To me unarmed means no weapon at all.

Demigod April 3 2009 3:40 PM EDT

Because it only applies when you're unarmed. Even if you have a bow, you're not using it. For all practical purposes, that bow is in your minion's oversized pocket and he's no longer armed.

Thak April 3 2009 3:41 PM EDT

"How about knuckle dusters? Punch daggers? Hitting someone while wearing a Plate Gauntlet"

You are no longer bare handed so yes i would consider that armed.

This is why brass knuckles are considered a weapon.

Thak April 3 2009 3:43 PM EDT

Thanks for the input it seems that a name change to the skill as some one suggested would be the best solution to avoid this confusion in the future.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 3 2009 3:46 PM EDT

by strict definition of the word thak you are correct. there is a long gaming tradition though where unarmed combat is used more as martial arts type fighting.

i myself remember having this same discussion in 1998 in the first mmorpg game i played called asheron's call. there was a major debate when the uc combat skill got fist weapons.

even after all this time, people who cannot see past the semantics of words to their intention still amaze me! ; )

Tyriel [123456789] April 3 2009 3:53 PM EDT

/me wonders about Tanks.

Monks have had weapons for a while. I've played several games where Monks can and do use weapons, and even read books that are the same. I guess you just have to get used to it. :P

Thak April 3 2009 3:55 PM EDT

But isnt that why we have definitons to words dudemus and a dictionary so there is no confusion on what the word means. A word is what it is and it means what it means no semantics about it.

Yeah its a game you can call the skill nasty fart stank for all i care. But for the purpose of learning the game and understanding what the skill does exactly should apply to the skills name. regardless if it is this game or another.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] April 3 2009 3:59 PM EDT

yep, but when two words are combined, their separate meanings aren't just added together to obtain the meaning of the newly-formed phrase.

tv dinner is one example off the top of my head. it is not a dinner made from televisions at all. there are many other examples in the english language and i am sure i will come up with more as soon as i hit the post button.

Thak April 3 2009 4:05 PM EDT

Yeah you got to love the good old english language. *chuckles*
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