Character fully equipped: PR / MPR : 1,798,578 / 1,142,524
6350294's Equipment:
An Amulet of Junction [0] (+9) NW: 1,495,095
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,793,550 / 1,142,524
Total PR Added: 5,028
A Set of Boots of Fortitude [12] (+26) NW: 1,233,207
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,784,044 / 1,142,524
Total PR Added: 14,534
A Pair of Beleg's Gloves [3] (+11) NW: 725,956
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,789,716 / 1,142,524
Total PR Added: 8,862
A Helm of Clearsight [-5] (+5) NW: 31,891
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,793,208 / 1,142,524
Total PR Added: 5,370
A Buckler of Mandos [10] (+22) NW: 1,346,609
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,789,358 / 1,142,524
Total PR Added: 9220
A Halidon Familiar lvl 3,160,081 NW: 57,309,273
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,420,890 / 1,142,524
Total PR Added: 377,688
DAVE's Equipment:
An Elven Long Bow [6x1934] (+90) NW: 26.7m
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,679,794 / 1,142,524
Total PR added: 118,784
An Amulet of Might [0] (+10) NW: 1,495,095
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,787,834 / 1,142,524
Total PR added: 10,744
A Trollskin Armor [22] (+40) NW: 2,535,227
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,755,506 / 1,142,524
Total PR added: 43,072
A Pair of Elven Boots [10] (+16) NW: 224,052
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,785,684 / 1,142,524
Total PR added: 12,894
A Pair of Beleg's Gloves [3] (+11) NW: 725,956
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,789,716 / 1,142,524
Total PR added: 8,862
A Helm of Clearsight [-5] (+5) NW: 31,891
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,793,208 / 1,142,524
Total PR added: 5,370
Buckler of Mangoes [10] (+26) NW: 3,835,768
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,777,613 / 1,142,524
Total PR added: 20,965
Why does the ELB (out of all the items, the only one that doesn't actually have a PR weight) add 118,784 PR to my character... In the wiki it says small characters suffer from "large PR penalties"
At over the 1 million MPR mark, I do not consider my character as "small". It also goes on to say that:
"Characters who are old enough to be grown out of their bonuses usually don't suffer an increase in PR from their weapon's Net Worth unless the weapon in question is grossly out of proportion to the size of their character."
I'm not sure how to interpret that to be honest, is that to say only players in the 6/10 BA regeneration do not suffer these bonuses? Surely it isn't to say that my weapon is grossly out of proportion...
To put it into perspective I rented two other ELBS.
Current Bow: (Bow A)
An Elven Long Bow [6x1934] (+90) NW: 26.7m
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,679,794 / 1,142,524
Total PR added: 118,784
(Bow B)
An Elven Long Bow [6x800] (+85) NW: 16.3
Equipped: PR / MPR : 1,782,960 / 1,142,524
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,679,794 / 1,142,524
Total PR Added: 103,166
(Bow C)
Argurotoxos [6x850] (+30) 7.3m
Equipped: PR / MPR : 1,687,688 / 1,142,524
Unequipped: PR / MPR : 1,679,794 / 1,142,524
Total PR Added: 7,894
The bottom numbers were taken from fighting against the same opponent: a Single minion character (+Ice Fam) with 0 AC each.
Bow A:
The Legend of Jiraiya defeated l WOLFMOTHER l (War All The Time) after 7 rounds of combat
Round 1:
Dave shot WIZARD [225392]
Dave hit WIZARD [320245]
Round 2:
Dave hit WIZARD [215669]
Dave shot WIZARD [233913]
Round 3:
Dave skewered WIZARD [306097]
Dave struck deep into WIZARD [323000]
Round 4:
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [224585]
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar [215532]
Round 5:
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [313759]
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar [317524]
Round 6:
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [338447]
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [327131]
Round 7:
Dave struck deep into WIZARD's familiar [378179]
Dave cries "Stand aside Hal!!"
Damage Inflicted: 3,739,473
Average Damage: 287,651 per hit, or 534,210 per round.
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Bow B:
l WOLFMOTHER l (War All The Time) defeated The Legend of Jiraiya after 11 rounds of combat
Round 1:
Dave shot WIZARD [135302]
Dave hit WIZARD [190949]
Round 2:
Dave shot WIZARD [196170]
Dave shot WIZARD [147994]
Round 3:
Dave hit WIZARD [204422]
Dave hit WIZARD [159199]
Round 4:
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [191340]
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [196158]
Round 5:
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [181059]
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [191384]
Round 6:
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar [216467]
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar [191728]
Round 7:
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar [210277]
Round 9:
Dave undershot WIZARD's familiar
Round 11:
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar [268841]
Damage Inflicted: 2,681,290
Average Damage: 191,520 per hit, or 243,753 per round.
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Bow C:
l WOLFMOTHER l (War All The Time) defeated The Legend of Jiraiya after 12 rounds of combat
Round 1:
Dave shot WIZARD with Argurotoxos [180644]
Round 2:
Dave hit WIZARD with Argurotoxos [200472]
Round 3:
Dave hit WIZARD with Argurotoxos [173873]
Dave hit WIZARD with Argurotoxos [230300]
Round 4:
Dave hit WIZARD with Argurotoxos [203030]
Dave struck deep into WIZARD with Argurotoxos [221100]
Round 5:
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar with Argurotoxos [158558]
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar with Argurotoxos [195158]
Round 6:
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar with Argurotoxos [236676]
Round 7:
Dave shot WIZARD's familiar with Argurotoxos [209082]
Round 9:
Dave's shot flew past WIZARD's familiar
Round 11:
Dave hit WIZARD's familiar with Argurotoxos [215084]
Damage Inflicted: 2,223,977
Average Damage: 202,179 per hit/round. (11 hits, over 11 rounds, 9 of which were firing rounds)
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In summary:
Bow A: WIN
An Elven Long Bow [6x1934] (+90) NW: 26.7m
Total PR added: 118,784
Damage Inflicted: 3,739,473
Average Damage: 287,651 per hit, or 534,210 per round.
Bow B: LOSE
An Elven Long Bow [6x800] (+85) NW: 16.3
Total PR Added: 103,166
Damage Inflicted: 2,681,290
Average Damage: 191,520 per hit, or 243,753 per round.
Bow C: LOSE
Argurotoxos [6x850] (+30) NW: 7.3m
Total PR Added: 7,894
Damage Inflicted: 2,223,977
Average Damage: 202,179 per hit/round. (11 hits, over 11 rounds, 9 of which were firing rounds)
To show the effect on my fightlist which is 7 characters at 100% Challenge bonus.
With Bow A: I maintain a 100% winrate against the 7 characters. With Bows B and C:
A: Win/Win/Win/Win/Win/Win/Win
B: Win/Lose/Win/Win/Win/Lose/Win
C: Lose/Draw/Lose/Win/Win/Win/Lose
I'm Just not understanding why a 27m NW bow is adding 118k, a 16m NW bow is adding 103,166, and a 7.3m NW bow is adding only 7.8k.
The damage difference between bows B and C is only a few thousand, yet the PR difference is almost 100k PR! (and 110K when talking about A/C)
The only thing I can think of is that the 27m NW bow is considered a,
"Characters who are old enough to be grown out of their bonuses usually don't suffer an increase in PR from their weapon's Net Worth unless the weapon in question is grossly out of proportion to the size of their character."
Which doesn't make sense to me because 27m NW is NOT EVEN NEARLY CLOSE to grossly out of propotion to my 1.1m MPR character.
My ENC limit is well over 100 million...
I just don't think the 118k PR added by the bow is "fair" for lack of a better word. Things to keep in mind, is that I have over 15 million experience between STR/Archery just to use the bow. I thought ENC was meant to keep people's character's networth in check. So why should a bow that really isn't very big... (27m nw is small with an ENC of over 100million on the character.)
Think of it like this... My HAL adds 377,000 PR to my character... Inside that 377k is 35 million XP and an ELB with over 23 million on the BTH alone... No clue how much X it would be using but the minion consistently out damages Dave, who has almost 600k more STR (after junctioned Items effects are added (I took off my AoJ for the below stats) So that would mean even if my Hal's ELB matched Dave's (though we know it must be larger due to the lack of strength and the equal damage) 15 million or so networth in the PTH alone, or 38millionish networth total.
688k HP -8.2m XP
1,116,816 STR/DEX - 13.4m xp*2
Ranged BaseTH: 100
Ranged BonusTH:120
Total XP: 35 million
120 BTH on an ELB costs 23 million CBD ALONE!!!!
So considering the size of the bow my HAL wields is many millions over my own ELB, why does my own ELB add so much PR...
MPR= (xp/1.4307)^(1/1.2501) - or MPR = (xp/1.4307)^(1/1.2501)
Or
24,463,549 ^ .7999360051 = 813,472.249
So the XP of my familiar is the equivalent of over 800k MPR with about a 38million nw bow... and it only adds 377k PR, so why does my 28m bow add 118k PR... That is very far from being "fair".
Thoughts?
