DM effect and ED reduction. (in General)


Joel November 19 2009 1:42 AM EST

I had thought for a while that the amount of ED effect dispelled was equal to the DM effect. Recently I began to question that idea. Just now I tested it and my results confirmed that DM effect cast on an enemy's AS does not dispel the same amount of AS as the effect of the DM. My test was done with 'A Murder of Gods' and was as follows- I had 517,382 experience to use so I marked down how much DM effect I had before training DM as well as how much AS A Murder of Gods survived my DM.
Before training DM effect: 4,350,392
After training max exp. into DM: 4,383,252
Difference of:32,860.
A Murder of Gods AS before training: 347,766
AS after training: 335,834
AS Difference: 11,932
% of DM Effect dispels AS: 36%
So, thats only a little over a third of the effect of the DM that was dispeled.
It is my opinion that DM is underpowered, considering that it only has three items that can boost it and EDs get four, and EDs also have a tattoo that boosts EDs and protects them from DM.
Also two of those four items can be upgraded for a greater effect on the EDs and DM only has one that can be upgraded for a greater effect.
The way I see it, a team that uses all the items that boost EDs on all its minions and uses an RoS will be able to train an undispellable amount of AS or any other ED, no matter what DM the opponent has trained.
Even if I put all of my experience into DM, from now until 5 million MPR, I would not be able to dispel all of that ED. Here's the example I'm thinking of, just hypothetical: Minion 1-RoS, Cornuthaum, Spellboosters, Amulet of Focus, AS@7 million trained effect-boosted to 14 million by RoS.
Minions1-3 any mix of other EDs and Amulet of Focus, Breastplate of Expertise, Spellboosters, and Cornuthaum.
This would be an example of USD beating trained experience.
Why can't it be equal? Why can't DM be as boostable as the EDs?
At 5 million MPR my DM effect would be at about 18 million.
At 36% that is 5.04 million AS that is dispeled.
Reduced by RoS 40% of tattoo level 8,000,000: 1,840,000 AS dispeled, leaving over 12 million undispeled AS.
If I'm wrong in anything I calculated, please correct me! I hope my outlook is better than I think it is!
This amount of boosting and protection is insane! No one would even be able to train DM that high!
Many have a much lower concentration of experience on their DM than me, so why do EDs need so much boosting and protection?

P.S. I've never used AS so I don't know if trained level equals AS effect, and because of this lack of data I don't know how to apply the penalty to AS that comes into effect by being cast on multiple minions, like what is stated in the wiki. I do know that its overall efficiency is greater when cast on multiple minions, though. I also don't know if the protection given by the RoS affects the level of the effect of DM. Because of my lack of data, I probably got my calculations wrong, possibly extremely wrong. I will need help from an experience RoS user, preferably one at the top MPR, so that I can learn how exactly this works. Please help me out, as well as comment on why EDs can be boosted so much and even be protected from DM.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] November 19 2009 1:56 AM EST

Ok Joel. That is one long post and you are messing up several parts of the calculation.

First off DM effect eliminates ED level not effect. So if you have a 5 mil DM which would have 4 mil effect then you erase 4 mil levels of whatever EDs the other team has.

Second AS casts at a lower amount than the level. That 36% that you came out with is what the AS casts at. So you erased 11,932 HP from each minion with the increase in DM.

RoS protects a certain amount of DM effect. You would need to have a 10 mil level tattoo in order to completely block a 5 mil level DM. (I am not absolutely sure on whether it is level or effect that the RoS blocks though.)

A DM effect of 18 mil hitting an RoS at 8 mil would still have 14,800,000 DM effect go through and so it would completely dispell almost all of the EDs in the game even if they use a RoS

Joel November 19 2009 2:16 AM EST

Wow! Awesome opossum! I am glad that I was so horribly wrong in my calculations! Thanks Nemeritz for helping me out! W00T! Now I know that my strategy isn't doomed ^.^

kevlar November 19 2009 2:26 AM EST

Nem's a number genius ;)
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