T52: Lazy Summer Day (in Contests)


Admin{CB1}Slayer333 May 1 2010 12:23 PM EDT

Quite lazy.

Highest MPR after a week wins 8m
Second highest wins 4m
Third wins 1m

5m starting EXP
160 Initial BA
2500 BA limit

Tournament begins at 2:00 PM today
Ends 2:00 PM next saturday.


This tournament will be a test of the new tournament score system as well, so try as hard as you can to break it! You won't be able to see the T-score of a character (yet?) but you should be unable to affect any normal scores.

AdminTal Destra [Forge Of Norn] May 1 2010 12:24 PM EDT

I'm down.

The Pope [Serenity In Chaos] May 1 2010 1:11 PM EDT

doubt i will do well but why not try...

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 1 2010 1:14 PM EDT

whats the bonus?

{Wookie}-Jir.Vr- May 1 2010 1:40 PM EDT

We can train decay?

The Pope [Serenity In Chaos] May 1 2010 2:06 PM EDT

can't start a character

RealAxis May 1 2010 2:07 PM EDT

same here. can't start.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 May 1 2010 2:57 PM EDT

Guess the score system needs a bit of fixing.

Delayed a couple days for now.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 1 2010 3:21 PM EDT

when the tournament does get going, we need to test whether the issue when your ba regen rate is set based on a tournament character due to that team being your largest one. nightstrike thinks it is fixed and if those fitting the criteria stated above could watch for it and let us know that would be great.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 May 8 2010 7:58 PM EDT

This will begin tomorrow.

DoS May 8 2010 9:25 PM EDT

Finals next two weeks, no can do. Sorry!

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] May 8 2010 10:29 PM EDT

im in.

ControlFreak May 9 2010 6:52 AM EDT

I am a bit confused about the rules.

* You may not use Decay unless told otherwise.
* You may not use tattoos unless told otherwise. Only lesser tattoos will ever be allowed.
* You may not name items, or use named items

1) Is Decay allowed?
2) Is Tattoos allowed?

ControlFreak May 9 2010 7:43 AM EDT

Given that some tournament chars use tattoos and given this line, I am just gonna go ahead and wear one:

"There is now a tournament only store. Items allowed will vary by tournament. "

Will stay off the decay though

The Pope [Serenity In Chaos] May 9 2010 11:01 AM EDT

is decay ok or a nono??

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 May 9 2010 11:22 AM EDT

No decay.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 9 2010 12:00 PM EDT

we need to test whether the issue when your ba regen rate is set based on a tournament character due to that team being your largest one. nightstrike thinks it is fixed and if those fitting the criteria stated above could watch for it and let us know that would be great.

please let me know if you can test this!

Admiralkiller May 9 2010 3:54 PM EDT

It has not been summer in Calgary...!

Invader Sye May 9 2010 9:36 PM EDT

have fun T-52

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 10 2010 2:45 PM EDT

i may have missed this along the way, but we can no longer retire tournament characters?

The Pope [Serenity In Chaos] May 10 2010 2:50 PM EDT

I did...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 10 2010 2:52 PM EDT

that is odd then, i certainly cannot. i have tried 3 times now with the same result.

The Pope [Serenity In Chaos] May 10 2010 3:42 PM EDT

I have retired like 4 characters in tourney...

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 13 2010 4:37 AM EDT

There seems to be a lot of feeding going on in this tournament....Is there a reason for this? Like are they testing stuff with the score system or no?

P.S. Please don't say this isn't going on with win percentages like 23.81, 27.06, 11.11, 36.54, 38, ect on tourney characters its hard to not call that feeding....its not even 1 to 1.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 7:47 AM EDT

i have a 37 percent win ratio and it is legit. with the lower game being what it is, it was better to fight t characters and draw with a 100 percent challenge bonus as opposed to fighting non t characters and winning with a negative. i possible could have found a non-t opponent that gave me better winnings, but would have had to burn up too much ba to find it and with a 2500 ba tournament that is not a good option either.

others may be doing things in a non-legit way, but looking at win percentages proves nothing other than the lower game is borked, which we all knew if we have been paying much attention.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 13 2010 8:43 AM EDT

Definitely makes it tougher because all the score's in the tourney are being dragged down. Makes getting that 100% that much harder.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 8:52 AM EDT

furthermore, if you have one player who can always win on a double-tap against a 100% challenge bonus opponent, he will have a 50 percent win ratio. another player that draws 90 percent of the time and wins the other 10 percent against a 100% challenge bonus player will only have a win ratio of 10 percent.

which one is playing smarter? if both are t characters, the smarter player is likely the one who drags down his opponents score the least while boosting his the least as so as to not build up his opponents as much.

i have no data to show about either, but win ratios really don't mean didley when you take all of this into account.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 13 2010 9:01 AM EDT

I am not complaining about double taps or draws...even triple attacks could be good in some cases but when you do 4,5, or even no wins between attacks I fail to see how your not feeding.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 13 2010 9:04 AM EDT

Some people are just too lazy to find new opponents EoD. Causing them to feed unintentionally.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 13 2010 9:05 AM EDT

I guess it makes no sense to me since I play competitively....why bother being in the tourney if your not even going to try?

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 13 2010 9:18 AM EDT

I don't know, that's why I quit after a few hundred BA, didn't have time to play.

RealAxis May 13 2010 9:23 AM EDT

What makes it worse is they have been feeding to the top teams...making it hard for the rest to catch up.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 13 2010 9:26 AM EDT

i have no data to show about either, but win ratios really don't mean didley when you take all of this into account.

Aside from the fact the people that are going to win this tourney will have won well more then 30% of their challenged fights.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 9:26 AM EDT

I don't know, that's why I quit after a few hundred BA, didn't have time to play.
if only the diehard competitors played in each tournament, we would likely have 3 to 5 people at best.

people can learn to be competitive in tournaments by playing with those competitive players though and seeing how they do things which is why there is a participation prize. i am of the mindset that the more the merrier and would love to see tournaments where 100 people are playing, even if they aren't all being competitive.

some play to test out new strategies as well. it is a cheap way to do this with the equipment store the way it is now.

if you do think people are cheating message them and ask why they are doing what they are doing or contact the tournament admin, that is what they are here for and they are responsive. many of the rules we have now as well as the equipment store changes were brought about due to players interactions with slayer.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 9:32 AM EDT

historically, this is one reason that highest mpr wins tournaments were dropped in favor of more creative scoring ones.

i have the suspicion that the only reason we went back to one is to simply test the score system and make sure that it is all working correctly. i doubt any of the tournament admins wanted to work a bunch to have a tournament killed off in the beginning due to a buggy system.

i went into it with that mindset at least not expecting much other than bug-testing. hopefully any negative issues with this tournament will not keep people from trying in the future. ; (

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 May 13 2010 9:44 AM EDT

This particular tournament is mainly a bugtesting period for NS and a few others. That said, reporting any foul play within the tournament should be done directly to me, and I assure you I do look into every case.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 13 2010 9:52 AM EDT

Pffft, whatever, you're just a lazy full admin now.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 9:59 AM EDT

kefeck please check your cm box in regard to this:

when the tournament does get going, we need to test whether the issue when your ba regen rate is set based on a tournament character due to that team being your largest one. nightstrike thinks it is fixed and if those fitting the criteria stated above could watch for it and let us know that would be great.

i am looking for feedback whether the fix worked or not, either way i would love to have some feedback if you are in the position to test this.

ControlFreak May 13 2010 10:34 AM EDT

Hehe.. you have been in leading position since day 2, EliteOfDelete.
The only threats to the position was Kefeck and Coldsummer. None of them are threats anymore.

AdminNightStrike May 13 2010 10:36 AM EDT

Just so you're all aware, the tournament scoring thing is still not working correctly. The ideal, in the end, will be that tournament parties will not remove any score from the non-t side of the game.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 13 2010 10:56 AM EDT

That's not working yet? I was under the assumption that we couldn't remove score anymore from my testing, just that some other small parts weren't working. Like normal chars fighting each other doesn't update their tourney score.

RealAxis May 13 2010 11:33 AM EDT

challenge bonus just messed up =/

RealAxis May 13 2010 11:54 AM EDT

Hey why is this so? Kind of unfair for those who haven't spent their full BA?

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 13 2010 12:14 PM EDT

How in the world did everyone's score get so low?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 12:58 PM EDT

i have no idea, but it is the suck! ; )

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] May 13 2010 1:45 PM EDT

Retraining lowers score to 1, that's what happened.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 13 2010 1:53 PM EDT

Retraining lowers score to 1, that's what happened.

I never retrained?

Wait someone retrained and sucked everyone's score down?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 2:02 PM EDT

i never retrained either. they must have reset the scores for testing the score issue or something.

AdminNightStrike May 13 2010 2:04 PM EDT

No, I didn't. Which scores dropped to 1?

AdminNightStrike May 13 2010 2:06 PM EDT

I just set all t-scores = score for T52. I suggest training (zero xp is ok) before fighting again.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 2:07 PM EDT

i didn't see any at one, but i know that my score as well as all of my favorite opponents scores (all t chars) dropped around the same time and dramatically. it didn't seem to be one drop and then everyone else's went down it was more like everyones reset or something.

AdminNightStrike May 13 2010 2:10 PM EDT

I'm not sure. I did fix a bug where t-parties weren't syncing score and t-score. Maybe as those parties were involved in fights, things worked themselves out.

That's why we needed a test tournament after all. This score caching thing is very complicated.

Training is still an issue.

AdminNightStrike May 13 2010 4:03 PM EDT

CL is up. Hope all issues are gone.

ControlFreak May 13 2010 4:15 PM EDT

My score has now settled at 12k, which is a bit of a loss from 500k-ish.

With scores looking like they do right now, I might "rob" Elite of his first place, which is unfair.

(Sure.. the reason I spent my 2500 BA as quick as I could was that I knew that I could not get a better challenge bonus than 100%, but there was a risk of getting less).

Nonetheless, I wasnt expecting that everyone would lose all their score.

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] May 13 2010 6:26 PM EDT

Mines at 10k. i must have been using my turns when you guys were screwing with stuff. because there is no way with my win% that i should have fell out of top 2.

AdminNightStrike May 13 2010 8:28 PM EDT

The first post clearly explains the intent of this tournament. I don't understand why so many of you are complaining.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 13 2010 8:48 PM EDT

The first post clearly explains the intent of this tournament. I don't understand why so many of you are complaining.

Probally because the prize rewards are so high..

8 million for top prize? That's worth complaining about.

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 13 2010 8:49 PM EDT

Not everyone on here has an endless flow of USD to push into this game.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 13 2010 9:41 PM EDT

Slayer forgot a rule:

No whining

AdminNightStrike May 13 2010 9:53 PM EDT

Then complain about the prize, and not my attempts to make the game better.

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] May 13 2010 10:27 PM EDT

not sure what NS did but this is the message i got.

From: system Sent: 5:00 PM EDT Delivered: 6:17 PM EDT
NOTICE! Area-[T52] will be auto-retired in one week for having an excessively low Score:PR ratio. CB has emailed details to the address you gave: StargazerOrion71@msn.com.


i logged off with a 1.6mil score. logged on to 10k

AdminNightStrike May 13 2010 10:38 PM EDT

That's more a function of me fixing the auto-retire-email-chatmailer, combined with the big score loss everyone faced. Fight a few battles and your score will go up. If you auto-retire, I'm sure Slayer will still consider you as eligible. There's a reason that this tournament isn't score based, after all.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 13 2010 11:11 PM EDT

i think the large prizes were to encourage more participation which would equate to better testing of the new system. ; )

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 14 2010 1:35 AM EDT

Then complain about the prize, and not my attempts to make the game better.

Maybe you should read that again.. lol

that's exactly what I'm complaining about.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 14 2010 2:34 AM EDT

Still in that bad a mood eh Kefeck... I'm sure Crosby is still throwing a fit too.

{CB1}Sparticus [Screwed Justice] May 14 2010 2:40 AM EDT

this is hallarious. i have the "most powerful" on lock and i wont even place.. nice to see some people work together in tourneys to beat the people who should actually win.. pff

ControlFreak May 14 2010 2:43 AM EDT

Well Sparticus.. You have the most powerful character and I cannot beat him.. so kudos

However, you bought your minions too early and too cheap. Doing differently is the reason I am on top. I can ensure you that there has been no teamwork from or to my side.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 14 2010 2:45 AM EDT

Yeah Spart you lost cuz you bought cheap. Freak one cuz he used BA early.

ControlFreak May 14 2010 2:47 AM EDT

Yes.. had not the score drop occured, Elite would have won, due to him having had higher CB in the first 500 or so fights.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 14 2010 2:51 AM EDT

Does this end Sunday?

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 14 2010 2:55 AM EDT

Still in that bad a mood eh Kefeck... I'm sure Crosby is still throwing a fit too.

LoL

AdminNightStrike May 14 2010 2:59 AM EDT

Why do you care if your own score falls?

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 14 2010 3:06 AM EDT

Why do you care if your own score falls?


It's not our own score's we care about.. It's the score's of our targets, had the score drop not of happened elite would have ran away with the mpr lead and I would of been in second right behind him. Right now it's looking like Controlfreek will end up winning this tournament instead.

ControlFreak May 14 2010 4:24 AM EDT

Well.. Kefeck... sorry to disagree, but you too bought your minions early.
I think the fact that I bought mine with only 40 BA to spare and only fought 500 battles or so with lower than 100% CB would have given me second even with no score drop.

Minion purchase gives MPR according to EXP on the largest minion (experimented prior to starting this tourney), so buying one halfway into the game equates to a severe loss in MPR.

ControlFreak May 14 2010 4:27 AM EDT

(Some numbers)...
Prior to buying my "expensive" minion, I had 277k MPR. A single minion character buying the expensive minion will increase by 1/9 in MPR.

I cant remember exactly when you bought your expensive Kefeck, but you did not have close to 277k MPR on the first one.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 May 14 2010 9:05 AM EDT

This ends on sunday.

Aera Cura May 14 2010 11:07 AM EDT

Controlfreek -

I bought my first large minion halfway through because then the price of the large minion is cheaper and I would have enough cash to buy two large one's. I'm willing to bet you never could have afforded to buy two large minions if you waited till so late in the tourney.

ControlFreak May 14 2010 11:23 AM EDT

I might have missed the obvious.. but I cant find that you even entered the tournament Aero Cura??

What character are you talking about?

ControlFreak May 14 2010 11:51 AM EDT

Well.. that is a plausible .. although a risky one. I stand corrected.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 14 2010 2:36 PM EDT

Hmm I don't understand this new score system. Like I found someone with a score of 900k+ but his tourney score is only 250k? Why is that?

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] May 14 2010 2:38 PM EDT

His T-score will be based on what his score was at the start of the tournament. He could have fought his way up to 900k since then.

ControlFreak May 14 2010 2:42 PM EDT

My guess is that the t52 character lowered his score with all the draws?

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 14 2010 2:45 PM EDT

Aw I wish he had been 900k score at the start :)

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 14 2010 3:32 PM EDT

"Why do you care if your own score falls? "

Because then when we attack targets their score is lowered more which in turn lowers our rewards faster.

Admiralkiller May 14 2010 6:43 PM EDT

I just want to state That I am not intentionally gimping my character. I Had to sell all of my items in order to afford to hire a cheap minion. I would do it at the last second but I am not 100% sure I will be on before the tourny ends.

I fear I may place 4th again. GL to all.

Advantage goes to those who spent BA early from the 100% bonus.

Early on another player and I farmed ltachi and gained a high score which in turn brought us all up in score hence the 100% Bonus. Then once NS did his thing it brought all the scores down lowing the bonus, which is why the early birds got the worm this time.

I am not complaining as it was notified at the start that this would be a test of the tourny score system. I also understand that this will improve future tourny play which makes me happy :-)

Kind of like the major road constuction. Sucks for 2 years but after that it's awesome for the next 20 years. :-)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] May 17 2010 9:59 AM EDT

congrats to the winners! now that the score system is tested, lets have some fun. thanks again to ns for the changes with tournaments, including the new scoring and the stores. ; )

Admiralkiller May 18 2010 5:59 PM EDT

So....who won?...Did moneys get handed out yet?

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] May 18 2010 6:32 PM EDT

I won using my super ninja skills! >:]

And no money has not been handed out yet.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 May 19 2010 12:20 AM EDT

Winners:

EliteofDelete
ControlFreak
AdmiralKiller

Kefeck [Demonic Serenity] May 19 2010 12:39 AM EDT

congratz guys!

It was a fun tourney :).

ControlFreak May 19 2010 2:11 AM EDT

Thanks for the tourney and props to Elite, who overcame the speed (score) bump and did a great finish.
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