Estiah (in Off-topic)

Wraithlin August 31 2010 7:16 AM EDT

I found this other MMORPG, it's called Estiah. Seems to be a pretty sweet game.

Battles are sort of a random draw from a deck that you build, similar to those card games like MtG. However you just play the top card everytime.

There is physical and magic damage and defenses so you can spec into one or both.

There is a tiered level-up process where you get to pick your classes and build into more and more of a specialized and more powerful character.

If you want to look around and end up liking the game you can use my link; or not since I actually don't know what using my link does yet in the game. Up to you.

Wraithlin August 31 2010 9:07 AM EDT

Upon some further investigation, you can make mulitple accounts in this game as long as there is no interaction between them.

If you use gmail, you can put periods in the first part of your email address and it will still work correctly but Estiah thinks they are different. Just don't put yourself as a reference when creating and there will be no problems.

for example:

these will all go to your inbox and can be used to create multiple accounts. I made 4 accounts, one of each primary attribute type.

Ankou August 31 2010 12:49 PM EDT

Its not that bad of a game, one great thing I like about it is that your action points will accumulate for about 5 days before maxing out, but you get diminishing returns after a while, so you don't *need* to log on every day. You still can, but its not as required as other games. Overall its alright. Like CB, its focused very much so on the battles and PVP is a big part, but it also includes a lot of PVM stuff. there is 13 different towns, each having their own 'quests' as well as shops, item markets as well as secret shops and quests.

It is, for the most part, text based, with simplistic graphics and animation playing a part. It is however, very nice to look at and the battle sequence is done well for being text based.

IMO, If CB looked like this game, we'd get *tons* more people. Might be worth a look for a decent passive browser rpg as well as a nice source for dome possible CB inspiration.

Wraith and anyone else interested in actually playing, I've been on it for a few months now, it has a pretty good wiki, and I can answer some questions too.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 31 2010 1:25 PM EDT

hmm, haven't done much on the game but am fighting the rat god and winning when i collapse from exhaustion. what does this mean exactly?

Ankou August 31 2010 1:30 PM EDT

I'm not sure how *you* are winning when *you* are exhausted. collapsing of exhaustion means that you run out of cards to play and is a loosing scenario. If the rat god collapsed, and not you, then you would have won.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 31 2010 1:39 PM EDT

well i take no damage and my hit points are full while i am slowly taking him down in hp. then all of a sudden i collapse from exhaustion but never show any damage.

Ankou August 31 2010 1:47 PM EDT

that's cause you have run out of cards to play. You either need more cards in your deck, or you need to optimize your cards to kill him faster. Leveling to allow the use of more powerful cards is also an option.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 31 2010 1:58 PM EDT

Just looking up on the Classes (and think i'll restart to get a more suitable name! :P), Ankou, any insight on what the T4 Classes are like? Any that should be avoided?

Windwalker August 31 2010 2:20 PM EDT

The charms and gear have me baffled hehe.
Good thing I know how to work!
If there's an alliance or guild I need in :( HELP!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] August 31 2010 2:21 PM EDT

me too and i cannot find the tutorial link on that page. it does have the word [Tutorial] in brackets but it isn't a link!

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 31 2010 2:39 PM EDT

Charms are like the cards in your deck. Gear is like a specific deck of cards.

(I was originally confused by the 14 collected Charms and 3 unique ones, but I had things like Wooden Sword x 5. ;) )

You build a Deck of cards (A Gear of Charms) and each round in combat one i selected at random and played.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] August 31 2010 4:10 PM EDT

OK, I'm not sure how you level up, doing a Job seems to level me up, and seems to be the only way so far.

There also seems to be a maximum you can level your stats to, so we'll need to plan on required end stats for the T4 class we want.

Ankou August 31 2010 4:43 PM EDT

@GL, Just to be clear, there's only 0, T1, T2 and T3 classes. Each class has different strengths and weaknesses. The only class you should really care about is the T3, aside from that, all T3 classes have prerequisites that have to be met. All of that information is in the wiki so there is no reason to repeat it here. In choosing a T3 class, you should read all of the T3 classes descriptions, I also chose to look through the classes subsection on the forum and see what players were saying about the different classes. Choosing your class should depend on your playing style. Some are great at solo work while others are best in groups. Do you want to be a healer? A wall? An all out berserker? I chose Summoner, but there is 12 classes to choose from. Currently, I have not actually had a T3 class, I'm level 33 on my 1st char, but I have a fairly good understanding of the game for everything I have encountered.

Here's a link to a good new players to do list
<a href="">Link</a>

Leveling is done not by how much xp you get, but by stat gains. On your character page, you will see a blue stat gain bar labeled Progress to next level (have/needed)
When you gain the required amount of stats, 10 or so at the early levels, (mines 45 atm), then you gain a level. Stats may be gained leveling up skills. To view your skills, hold your cursor over your chars name and select skills from the drop-down menu.

You can gain a total of 900 stat points by leveling up skills, more can be gained beyond that by drinking elixers. It is *impossible* to ruin your stats before level 15-20, so don't worry about them other than what you need to have to get the newest charms.

Wraithlin September 1 2010 3:58 AM EDT

Ok for a quick tutorial:

You gain levels based on a blue progess bar on your character info page that says something like "progress 0/5" with a slider under it.

This slider goes up when you gain stats of power, dex, con or int. When you get to a full slider, you gain a level and start over. Jobs will gain you levels very fast at low level, and make sure everytime you are about to do a job, check to see if there are any better ones available first (they are mostly hidden until reqs are met).

By doing battles, you use charms to fight and gain charm skills. These skills will also level up your four stats and thereby gain you levels.

What you should do first is decide on one of the four T1 classes (or if you really want go through all the T3 classes).

We'll pretend you just make it simple and pick a T1, whatever the color is you pick, you need that same color stat. For example the fighter is red, so he needs power. Pick a job that maxes power, pick charms that require power because they probably have skills that boost power.

Now that you're leveling up skills that require power, and you have a job boosting your power and you're rolling along toward that fighter class you can look for your T3 class you want. Fighters can become mercenaries or wizards for T2 and then 6 choices for T3.

Basically the easiset thing to do is pick the T3 of the same color as your T1, then find the T2 that is most similar to the T3. (if you chose your T3 first then just pick the T1 that is the same color as your T3 and pick the T2 that is most similar to the T3).

An example for fighters is pyromaniac for my T3. He's a caster type that needs power, intel, fire and then some other random stuff. Looking at mercenary or wizard, the wizard is also a caster that also needs fire. So the best path for pyromaniac is fighter->wizard->pyro.

You'll need to spam power, get int secondary and then whatever you want after that.

Now as for your charms, first make sure you always have a full gear. You get around 1 spirit per level which means 1 charm per level in your gear. If you don't have a full gear then you run the risk of getting exhaustion in fights because you run out. Secondly, make sure the gears are the highest level you can find of the type you want. For instance if you are going pyro look for power and int gear such as fist weapons and fire magic. Or you can find weapons/spells that just add to power OR int; like swords or daggers or shadow or lightning.

remember to do the sewers 5 times in a row (you can do it twice a day if you want) so you get 500 bonus gold for finishing off the skill you gain by doing it.

after that, well just keep building towards that T3. you will probably have to open up the T3 class and see all the random skills you need then research the forums for how to best increase that skill so that you can actually become the class you want, some of them are tricky and most require some sort of pvp aspect.

[RX3]Cotillion September 1 2010 6:33 PM EDT

Do we sell the random drops from the first dungeon? Things like the rat hair and rat skin, or do we save these for something else? I think I remember seeing something about crafting.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 1 2010 7:17 PM EDT

I sold mine. It was a mistake.

You can use them in the same city to craft things like Rat Cloak charms.

Need to wait for it to reset beore going there to get some. ;)

I'm finding the AP generation too slow. I do a few things, then need to wait hours before ding anything substantial again. Apart from that, it's quite an interesting game atm. ;)

[RX3]Cotillion September 1 2010 7:46 PM EDT

I guess that's why they tolerate multiple accounts, GL. Make an extra account if you want to play more.

Wraithlin September 1 2010 9:48 PM EDT

If the item is gray, just sell it.

If it is green or better then it can be used somewhere to craft something.

Seems like the quality is green->blue->orange.

For the rat stuff specifically:
2x Rat Skin + 1x Rat Hair = Rat Cloak
Rat Cloak gives 6 armor and 4 ward.

And the bloodsucking fleas you get that are gray aren't used for crafting but you can adopt one as a pet. Then you can feed fleas to itself and have it go racing. So you can actually use everything from the first dungeon.

Wraithlin September 1 2010 9:50 PM EDT

also if you browse the forums a bit you can find links to battles that people have posted. (You can save battles that you think are epic on your profile).

so you can go and watch battles of T3 classes that you're interested in to see how they play out at higher levels to see if you actually want to be that class.

Takes a bit of time sometimes to watch the battles, but actually seeing some of these things played out helps to understand it alot easier.

Wraithlin September 2 2010 2:06 PM EDT

I won a race with a bloodsucking flee.

I got triple my money back, a food that gives +1 dex permanent and a racing trophy worth over 100g unless i want to keep it for guild crafting.

definately worth racing.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 2 2010 3:03 PM EDT

how often can you do the same dungeon?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 2 2010 3:55 PM EDT

It resets every 12 hours.

You can do one, then move to another city to do another.

At level 10 your daily job can also give you a move, for a potential three in one go.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 2 2010 4:57 PM EDT

i notice this achievement:

Hug (emote) at least 20 different players

how the heck do you manage that?

QBOddBird September 2 2010 5:04 PM EDT

/hugs dudemus

1 down!

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 2 2010 5:05 PM EDT

; )

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 2 2010 5:13 PM EDT

i figured it out, if anyone else is having trouble with that one just go to the players link at the top of the page, pick a person and click their link and about halfway down the page you will see the emote box.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 2 2010 5:17 PM EDT

o I recleared the sewers for crafting mats and rep. Got a Rat Cloak made. Fought the Farie 4/5 times to level Spirituality/Cheat Death/The other one/Ward. Did my job.

Out of AP now. Log back on tomorow.

All of 10 minutes playing time a day, I can see this getting frustrating slow soon. :(

Wraithlin September 3 2010 1:46 AM EDT

that's why i got 4 chars GL.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 3 2010 2:56 AM EDT

I'd play an alt if it could do anything for my mains.

But so far, all I can figure out is I could make my own 4v4 team.

ScrObot September 3 2010 3:07 AM EDT

Guilds open up at level 20, I think you could get all your characters into the guild, that would benefit you indirectly?

I just started playing this tonight, level 3 thus far. I'll probably start a second character as the regen time is pretty slow.

Lots of nice touches to this game though.

Wraithlin September 3 2010 3:26 AM EDT

actually if you find a way for your alts to help your main, you'll get them both deleted, so don't do that.

But if we get a group of at least 4+ that stay with it till lvl 20+ we'll form a guild and do some pvp and pve group stuff.

Wraithlin September 3 2010 3:29 AM EDT

For everyone leveling up:

when you get to level 5, the lvl 6 dungeon in the first town is really easy. Make sure you did the first dungeon 5 times to get the 500g, buy 5 of the lvl 5 weapons/spells so you got some good damage then go at it.

That second dungeon boss drops a charm that gives 7armor/7ward both cumulative, so it's a sweet defensive charm for low level.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 3 2010 7:23 AM EDT

what exactly is ward and armor in this game?

Wraithlin September 3 2010 9:10 AM EDT

there is magic damage and physical damage

armor blocks physical.
ward blocks magic.

if you look at a charm and it says 7 (35%P) that means that it does 7 damage but 35% of it pierces the defenses and still hits.

so if you had say 14 armor up and someone hit you with a physical hit for 8 (50% P) then you would lose 8 armor and still take 4 damage.

also if you have that 14 armor up and you use an armor charm that doesn't have "cumul" on it then it doesn't stack, either your current armor or the charm (whichever is higher) is your new armor value.

if you use a charm with ward or armor that says "cumul" it adds to your current value.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 3 2010 9:13 AM EDT

ok, thanks that clears that up nicely!

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 3 2010 12:21 PM EDT

WooT! Won my second Race (using a hampster dropped in the first dungeon - called SPG! :P). Won a Jaguar Cub and a Tin Race Trophy.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 3 2010 6:12 PM EDT

ok, i have seen a progress bar for "sewer cleaner" where you get the 500 gold once complete but now i cannot find that damn progress bar anywhere! does anyone have an idea where i can find that?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 3 2010 6:16 PM EDT

Skills - Renown


Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 3 2010 6:18 PM EDT

i had looked off & on throughout the damn day for that thing! thanks.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 5 2010 7:01 PM EDT

Here's where I'm at at the moment;

My DEX is too low, I actually want Con as my Dump Stat (But it comes with the HP Skills I'm working on).

Currently farming Cheat Death, as I've maxed Spirituality. Survival will be next, then Heroism.

I can easily get my Dex up with Shadow/Twinblades. But no more working Jobs till I've maxed Cheat Death and Survival off the Prairie Sprite!

How are you guys doing?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 5 2010 9:27 PM EDT

i am not real sure how i am doing, but i am still working at it!

Ankou September 5 2010 9:57 PM EDT

Just keep going, your all doing great.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 3:47 AM EDT

I thought it would show more of my Charcater than that! :P

Stats are;

9 power, 10 Con, 5 Dex, 16 Int.

Skills Mastered are;

Sewer Cleaner ( ;) )

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 3:49 AM EDT

actually if you find a way for your alts to help your main, you'll get them both deleted, so don't do that.

In the rules it's allowed for your alts to form 2/3/4 man teams. You just can't mentor your own alts, or use your own alts to level your own PvP Skills.

You can mentor your mates alts, and he can mentor yours though. ;)

Wraithlin September 6 2010 4:00 AM EDT

Yeah mine are coming along alright. I've gotten a few defensive wins already actually just hanging out in the pvp towns. And those hats you get from the 2nd dungeon rock. Oh and the first focus charm you can get comes from Eversweep's first dungeon if you want to head over there. It's a fire charm with focus 4 I believe, might make some of the dungeons a bit easier. If you're making a tank-like class then the first dungeon in Aleas has your first protect charm.

Future Inquisitor
Pow: 17 Dex: 17 Con: 9 Int: 16

Future Hierarch
Pow: 9 Dex: 12 Con: 16 Int: 23

Future Summoner
Pow: 11 Dex: 10 Con: 17 Int: 17

Future Assassin
Pow: 14 Dex: 15 Con: 10 Int: 16

Wraithlin September 6 2010 4:03 AM EDT

Oh and GL, how easy is it for leveling cheat death? Are you getting it with > 75% chance?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 4:42 AM EDT

Not at the moment, I really need to be 7 for that (with a nice amount of HP).

It's about 50/50 atm, depending on order of charms played. I don't lose, but have a few too many HP left at the end.

After I max CD, I'll up my deck from 18 to get Survivor instead. ;)

Then I suppose it's Inachis Battle Tournament at level 7/8 for Heroism.

(I think Heroism is the only skill you can 'miss', by reaching 50/51 and not having beaten any dungeon two levels lower. Unless there's a high level 53+ somewhere. :/)

Wraithlin September 6 2010 5:44 AM EDT

have you read any good strats for battle tournament builds, or is it pretty easy too?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 7:48 AM EDT

Not dug out anything specific yet, was just planning on wasting a few AP to get to tknow the fights.

After the Cursed Forest (level 9?) and Rogue Colisium (Level 15?) I saw mention that The Battle Tournament was a good place to get Heroism, and I don't have to travel while I'm grinding my last three Pirate's hats! :P

(Can you get the Priates Glove from there as well? I'd love an early Extra Action charm!)

Wraithlin September 6 2010 8:39 AM EDT

i'm not sure where pirate gloves come from, i'll have to research, i just use the hats, farmed up 20 of em now and got no gloves so i'd have to say no.

Ankou September 6 2010 12:40 PM EDT

The rogue colossus in aleas recommends lvl 15. its a 2 player dungeon. i may be able to help you guys out who want to level a little heroism by teaming up and tanking the dungeon for you. anyone up for it?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 12:49 PM EDT

Am I too low at 6?

How do you arrange the multiple team dungeons? (I didn't realise the IBT was 2 man!)

Ankou September 6 2010 1:11 PM EDT

I am trying to set up a deck right now that is full of protects, so I take all the damage. This means, i hope, that all of you can join a team with me and win, as I will take all the damage. It may need a little tinkering.

The colossus has the following attacks, be prepared:
(Target all enemies)|19 Magic|6 Melee|Stunned for 1 action x4
50 Melee|Stunned for 1 action x6
50 Armor|50 Ward|Stunned for 1 action x3
Focus 8 x1

Be prepared: Deck-Prep Tips. You will not be needed to deal any damage. Get the single best melee defense charm you can get a hold of and use 5, if possible, same for magic, but not as important. If you have anything that heals, cleanses or is a target all allies or self stun, try and use it. I don't know how much stuff you guys have at the lower levels, but try and make due. I am trying to build a deck that would enable you to use just about anything and still win. How many charms do you guys have in your decks, I need to know for building mine.

To join, you select the quest and are presented with a list of existing teams that you can join. Each team that is player made is password protected. You can also make your own team or join the 'public' team and the game will suit you up with a buddy to fight with. I'd not recommend public till you can take the colossus on your own as under-leveled players frequent there in hopes of getting a high leveled player as a team mate.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 1:15 PM EDT

Spirit 22

Does everyone need to be online in Estiah at the same time? Or once everyone has joined, only one person is needed to set the fight off?

Ankou September 6 2010 1:27 PM EDT

It will have to be one person at a time. Its only a 2x1 battle.
are you able to get to Aleas at the next reset? i can be there and try one with you. next reset is in ~30 minutes

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 1:29 PM EDT

Won't be able to make next reset :( I'm off out tonight. But would def be up for a little boosting! ;)

Ankou September 6 2010 1:31 PM EDT

ok well when ever you or anyone want to try this out, hit me up and i will make my way over at the next reset, in fact, I'll head over now to test my deck

Windwalker September 6 2010 2:46 PM EDT

and I still have no idea what I'm doing :)

Ankou September 6 2010 3:09 PM EDT

OK, so what specifically do you not understand?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 3:10 PM EDT

OK, made it over to Aleas, I'll park myself here. ;)

Ankou September 6 2010 3:18 PM EDT

GL, im here too, wanna try a colossus run?

Ankou September 6 2010 3:20 PM EDT

hm... well it looks like 1 run/reset, so it'l have to wait 11hrs

Windwalker September 6 2010 3:23 PM EDT

is there a way to get rid of useless charms?
does the advancement out of adventurer happen automatically?
once I mastered a skill should I change my deck and work on the one's I haven't mastered?
should I use points in arena or concentrate on the dungeons?
do I set up a defensive deck for off line time?
PvP or not at lower levels?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 3:29 PM EDT

NP! I'll wait here and we can try agian later! :P

is there a way to get rid of useless charms?

Archive them, so they're not shown with our ative charms

does the advancement out of adventurer happen automatically?

No. At level 20 you have the ability to choose a 'class'.

once I mastered a skill should I change my deck and work on the one's I haven't mastered?

Yup! ;)

should I use points in arena or concentrate on the dungeons?

Arena can help level specific skills, but so can Dungeons and PvP. Dungeons have good rewards, and PvP fights are the cheapest way to skill up.

do I set up a defensive deck for off line time?

No idea. Could always park yourself in a city that doesn't have PvP enabled.

PvP or not at lower levels?

Depends. ;) Do you enjoy it?

Ankou September 6 2010 3:49 PM EDT

To more clarify the last two:

A strictly defensive deck may work, but ONLY of you have more spirit than your opponent. You could end the battle with 1000 of each armor and 100 willpower, but if your deck is shorter than the opponents, you lose. These defensive decks are called 'turtle' decks, you may be able to find out a bit more info on them in the forum. I myself have a turtle deck with a bit of spirit damage to comp for less spirit than my opponents. It, overall, does not work great. It has become invaluable against certain dungeons though, as I simply outlast my opponent.

In PVP, you will be fighting against other people who may be better than you, who know how to get the absolute best charms at each and every level as well as have months of practice. Choose your targets well. Do note however: PVP battles may drop soul dust/shard/crystal/gem these are used in special shops to make some real powerful items. 2nd best overall for item shops, only looses to hidden shops.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 6 2010 11:05 PM EDT

will pets eat only once per two hour period?

Ankou September 6 2010 11:09 PM EDT

i believe once per 12 hr reset

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 6 2010 11:16 PM EDT

also, what does protect do?

Ankou September 6 2010 11:21 PM EDT

protect directs all enemy attacks towards you.

[RX3]Cotillion September 6 2010 11:22 PM EDT

Does raising skills actually improve anything or are they just pre-reqs to classes and such?

Ankou September 6 2010 11:40 PM EDT

Raising skill levels gives you stats/spirit/hp. Stats give you more access to charms, as do skill levels. stats also are what is required to level. Spirit allows you to use more charms.

ScrObot September 7 2010 12:07 AM EDT

Pets can eat every 2 hours, I've fed my bloodsucking flea quite a bit. Some of the pets in the wiki have exhaustive lists of what each pet likes and what attributes it will gain.

Wraithlin September 7 2010 1:50 AM EDT

Quick Heroism Tutorial:

You can get 30 pts towards Heroism every 12 hours from Icathia Battle Tournament at level 8.

You'll Need:
100+ Physical Damage worth of Charms.
100+ Magic Damage worth of Charms.
5 Armor/Ward Combo Charms (Pirate Hat is a good choice here, or Yeti Cloak)
The 15 Vendor Ward Charms (8,9,13 I believe).

You'll need 3 sets of Gear
Full Magic Damage + 5 Armor Charms
Full Physical Damage + 5 Ward Charms
Full Wards + 5 Combo Charms

Use the first set for the first guy, he's a physical damage dealer with Armor so your magic damage will ignore all his defenses and your armor will protect enough. If you don't have armor that protects at least 10 armor it's not worth putting in.

Use the second set for the second guy, he's all magic damage and wards so the physical gets by, again Ward 10 or higher or it's not worth it.

Use the last set for the last two. The 3rd guy does some physical damage but he puts magic banes on you that deal damage over time and you end up taking way more magic damage. You'll have 22 spirit at level 8 and he has 21 so you just outlast him with Ward and some of those combo charms. This guys would actually be fine to use Yeti Cloakx5 and Pirate hatx5.

For the last guy he does alot more damage so I wouldn't use yeti cloaks, they are too low on the ward, but the pirate hats are still good because it is cumul ward. Use all your highest wards and hope he doesn't combo well. Again you have more spirit than him so you're just going to exhaust him.

I beat it with all four of my level 8 characters using the above strats, the first two guys it was around a 90% win rate, 100% for the third guy and maybe 50% for the last guy. He actually has some extra action and +next magic damage charms that can stack really well together, so expect to lose at least once when you try it. I had one character that flawlesed the dungeon but everyone else lost at least one fight.

Wraithlin September 7 2010 3:37 AM EDT

Drops from Battle Tournament:

Thundercall: 12 Magic (25% P), +9 to next Magic
lvl 11 dex 26 int 36 Lightning

Machination: +8 to next magic, 12 Ward
lvl 10 Ward/Tech

Lightning Reflexes: 1 Extra Action, 6 Magic (25% P)
lvl 11 31 dex 34 int Lightning

Warden Stone: 23 Ward
lvl 10 Ward

Wildor's Dagger: 4 melee (45% P), Bane 2 Magic during 12 turns
lvl 10 31 dex 22 int Twinblades/Debuff

Might be good to farm this place even after heroism is maxed for the charms. I also don't know if there are more that just haven't dropped yet.

Ankou September 7 2010 3:50 AM EDT

GL and possibly others showed interest in colossus runs, its a team battle that I will win for you, so you can go at any level. Can earn some easy skills and charms.

Char name ankou, pass is cb if anyone wants a run. Must be in aleas.

ScrObot September 7 2010 4:34 AM EDT

I'm digging the game, currently level 6 and 5 on 3 accounts.

If we can get some more people involved, we should start a CB guild.

ScrObot, planning for Warden
BoneyL, planning for Champion
Jumpnard, planning for Berzerker

Referral/mentoring links if anyone else wants to start: (ScrObot) (BoneyL)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2010 5:33 AM EDT

OK, just tried to go into the Rogue Collosus and got;

Your level doesn't meet the requirement, come back at a higher level!

Suck. :(

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2010 5:39 AM EDT

My charcater is Talhearn, an aspiring Champion. ;)

ScrObot September 7 2010 5:40 AM EDT

From the wiki:

Your character's level needs to be at least the dungeon's level - 5 in order to be allowed into the dungeon.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2010 5:41 AM EDT

Oh well. :/

Wraithlin September 7 2010 5:54 AM EDT

Yeah we can definately start a CB guild. Require lvl 20 and 5k gold. Looks like guilds in this game allow you to build guild items and that adds to guild points. Then the guild leader can assign guild points to whoever he wants and they use those points for charms from the shops you make for your guild.

So basically we create our own little guild marketplace and the currency is how much we support the guild, looks like there are alot of guild only charms to get too, so it's worth it.

[RX3]Cotillion September 7 2010 12:07 PM EDT

So I know that Green labeled items are for crafting, but grey are pretty much useless aside from pet racing/fighting. What am I supposed to sell? My inv is at 96/100 and I need to get rid of some stuff but I don't want to sell anything I may possibly need in the future.

Silk - Broken Wooden Leg- Bunny Eyes - Maple Syrup - Bloodsucking Flea - Dirty Eyepatch - Captainï¾’s Necklace - Fractured Yeti Horn - Shiny Pirate Hook - Banana

Ankou September 7 2010 12:18 PM EDT

Click on 'inv. 96/100' up on the top bar. click sell on each item you wish to sell.

Ankou September 7 2010 12:24 PM EDT

We can start a guild, I'm well over 20. But, I have been part of a fairly active guild for a while now and know that starting a new guild is a fairly momentous undertaking. It could take us months to get the guild anywhere and require many items and tons of gold from everyone. Even 40 player guilds don't move very fast. It should be carefully considered and weighed above simply joining disparate guilds. There are plenty of good guilds already out there. I, myself, am in a guild called CheeseDip.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 7 2010 12:25 PM EDT

i think cotillion was looking for advice on what to get rid of rather than how to sell it. ; )

Ankou September 7 2010 1:03 PM EDT

Hm... well, I seem to have misread that then. oops.
OK So for selling things, there are a few factors you want to pay attention to. First, what is it used for? You can check the Wiki here:
Simply search for your item. Items are used in crafting to make certain charms. For this, it is easier to check the wiki and see what charms you want keep the associated items and dump the rest.

A few minor other things to pay attention to: Could your pet use the item for food? Does your guild (if you have one) need it for one of its buildings? Is the item worth searching for a better market rate in another town?

Wraithlin September 7 2010 1:18 PM EDT

In just the starter town and the 2 next door you can sell pretty much everything for at least close to 100%, so you should move around and try to find a town that sells for good.

I unload everything I can when i'm in a town that I get a bonus in. Unless I'm saving it of course.

And as far as the guild goes, we wouldn't have to create our own if some inside man somewhere managed to procure us some spots in his guild, hint hint.

ScrObot September 7 2010 1:23 PM EDT

Based on the wiki (and I'm not sure how comprehensive it is), I sold: Broken Wooden Leg, Dirty Eyepatch, Captain's Necklace, Fractured Yeti Horn and Shiny Pirate Hook.

I've used Bloodsucking Fleas as food for my pet (who is also a Bloodsucking Flea), they give +1 fitness. If you don't want to use a pet or have a different pet who doesn't like them, you can sell them -- they really add up after a bunch of sewer runs in the beginning. Maple Syrup and Bananas are also good pet food, depending on your pet.

But definitely look everything up in the wiki.

Ankou September 7 2010 1:27 PM EDT

How many spots are we looking at? I might be able to work out something.

Head count on all looking to get into a guild.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 7 2010 1:27 PM EDT

also regarding the fleas, there is a general achievement you can get by having a bunch in your inventory. ; 0

Ankou September 7 2010 1:44 PM EDT

60 to be exact

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2010 3:13 PM EDT

Level 6, 74HP, Cheat Death at 90/100.

Got a gear set up that gives me nearly 100% chance to get it now. ;)

4 x Small Glyph (8 Ward), 2 x Copper Knuckles and 2 x Small Flame Wands (to level Fist/Fire) and the rest assorted armour to get me to 18 charms.

Works like a Charm!

hopefully two more fights, then on to Survival (which should bump me to 7, if Fire/Fist don't get there first!).

Then, heroism! :P

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 7 2010 3:18 PM EDT

i don't guess i have even gotten the cheat death skill started yet. ; (

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 7 2010 3:34 PM EDT

Level 7 on the Pairie Sprite (level 4 opponent) is the easiest.

You have more HP to get to the 10%, and it deals a fixed amount of Magic damage (around 83 with some pierce).

Wraithlin September 8 2010 3:21 AM EDT

If you missed the spirit leveling cheat death like I did you have the mana leech (lvl 8), which is also pretty easy.

You need roughly 120 HP + Ward value. (so if you have 80HP, get 40 Ward in the deck)

You need 22 Charms.

Then you can hit him with almost anything you want since he wards and heals, you can actually do quite a bit of damage without killing him, just try to not toss too much high physical damage in there.

Wraithlin September 8 2010 3:23 AM EDT

And I got 4x Heroism today, so that pain in the butt is over till level 40.

ScrObot September 8 2010 3:39 AM EDT

Ankou I've got 3 accounts, levels 5 6 and 7 currently. I'm going on vacation starting Saturday though so won't be back to regular playing until 9/21.

Ankou September 8 2010 10:50 AM EDT

This is what my guild has to say about newbies wanting in:
Guild Description
We have all crafts unlocked, GHP buildings ready

from lvl 15 to lvl 40 (lvl 40+ are welcomed to WPS)
Good PvP scores and decent HP
Join only if you are willing to learn and be active.

If you are a newbie or a low-skilled player, you can ask us (officers) for advices/mentoring

-Zenetar (Goingforthetop is my alt in Cheese Dip)
Ok, so to clear up a few expected questions...
I don't know how many open spots there are at the moment, but you could ask the guild leader, goingforthetop. In the past, he/she has been open to answers to questions. Other guild officers are also able to answer questions about entrance requirements and member openings.

Decent HP and good PVP scores are not as hard as you may think. Level well and get lots of skills and your HP will be fine. If you spend a small amount of time doing PVP at least, and will even easy battles, you should be able to get a decent score of 1500-2000 by 15-20.
I may be able to ask on you behalf about membership, but you need to be level 15+

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 8 2010 12:08 PM EDT

I leveled up to 7 as I was having problems with Survival.

2 x Rat Cloaks (4 ward each) and in total 21 assorted charms, 86 natural HP, and I've got 100% chance for 'Survival'. ;)

At only 3 a go, it's gonna take a while to level! :D

Ankou September 8 2010 12:30 PM EDT

nice job, its easiest to level these skills at a low level, i didnt, its a pain for me now

Wraithlin September 8 2010 6:08 PM EDT

well getting the last rank requires level 40+ for all three, spirituality is never hard to get, just takes a long time, but survival and cheat death can't be that bad, you just need a mob that does close to steady damage.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 8 2010 9:52 PM EDT

does everyone else have to log in many times a day? i think i have logged in 8 times just today.

ScrObot September 8 2010 10:06 PM EDT

Not 8 times, but I'm on quite a bit with my 3 accounts. I try to feed my pets as much as I can to free up inventory space, and run them in races 3 or 4 times a day (since it's so cheap).

I plan around the dungeon and work/travel reset times (11 AM and PM PST) as well.

Wraithlin September 8 2010 10:39 PM EDT

I plan to play twice a day with all my accounts at a minimum so that I can do whatever dungeon i'm farming twice a day.

I usually log in a couple extra times just to see if there is anything interesting on the auction house or feed my pets or read some more of the storyline. Or just basic research on the wiki/forums.

I only spend action points twice a day per account though on average.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 8 2010 10:48 PM EDT

hmm, i didn't explain my question very well it seems. i was asking about the actual log in process where you put your user name and many times are you having to do that per day if you go onto the site fairly often?

that is what i had to do around 8 times today. i was actually on the site probably hourly throughout the day today and 8 times just seems excessive.

ScrObot September 9 2010 1:42 AM EDT

It's got a "normal" webapp timeout of like 20 or 30 minutes if you don't click on any pages. Set your browser up to remember your usernames and passwords and it's not really a big deal.

Being always logged into CB spoils you, but CB also doesn't allow alts. (=

Wraithlin September 9 2010 3:48 AM EDT

hey ankou question for you.

What happens if you're fighting a 2v2 vs a paladin and whoever and the paladin has a protect going, then you use a charm that does special targetting, i.e. enemey with the lowest HP. If the person with the lowest HP is the non-paladin will it target him or will it target the paladin.

Also what happens if the non-paladin get hit with a focus on your turn, and then on the paladin's next turn he uses a protect? I assume on that one it swaps over to the paladin?

Lastly, if that same pesky paladin uses a protect, and then your next charm has a focus (cumul) will you add to the protect?

Ankou September 9 2010 10:08 AM EDT

Read the Focus, Protect and Special Targeting sections

Ankou September 9 2010 10:30 AM EDT

I need everyone who wants into a guild to PM me your character name.

*I* will only request one alt per person to be brought in. Then, after everyone is in and settled, *you* can ask him if you can bring in another alt. I'm not sure if he will want a bunch of alts in the guild unless they are all active and all leveled.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 9 2010 7:01 PM EDT

Gah! 2 AP, regens in 1H6Mins.

Fire: 99/100
Survival: 99/100


Ankou September 9 2010 11:16 PM EDT

wow, that sucks, nice leveling though

Ankou September 10 2010 2:04 AM EDT

Wow, this thread is all full of my double posts. there everywhere!\

OK guys, this is what I sent my guild leader:


Thats one char each. All your other alts are up to you to get a guild. Hope you all get an invite.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 10 2010 5:10 AM EDT

Talhearn is victorious!
Talhearn masters the skill [Fire] (Rank 1)!
Talhearn gains 1 intellect, 1 power.
Talhearn masters the skill [Survival] (Rank 1)!
Talhearn gains 2 constitution, 5 hit points.
Talhearn receives 20 gold


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 10 2010 5:32 AM EDT

Thanks Wraith! I just 4 for 4'd the Battle Tournament! ;)

Talhearn is victorious!Talhearn's skill [Heroism] increases by 10 (40/100)
Talhearn receives 10 gold
Talhearn receives item: [Croissant]
Talhearn receives item: [Inachis Battle Trophy]
Talhearn receives charm: [Thundercall] (1/5)


Wraithlin September 10 2010 8:11 AM EDT

awesome, and no problem

Ankou September 10 2010 10:35 AM EDT

Guild news
Haggoroth joined the guild.
Windwalker joined the guild.

awesome guys

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 10 2010 10:38 AM EDT

ok, my pet can get no more growth and now likes nothing i feed him! is there some trick to feeding them once they are maxed on growth?

Ankou September 10 2010 11:01 AM EDT

No idea. Never hit that high of stats. Try searching/posting in the forum.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 10 2010 11:06 AM EDT

may i ask why you haven't?

the pet skills are pretty easy to get and one of the few things you can do with gold rather than ap and they give pretty good attribute points as well.

Ankou September 10 2010 11:12 AM EDT

I basically neglect my pet. Recently did a race and looked at my past races list:
Session 2010-09-07 21:05:04
Session 2010-06-21 21:05:02
2+ month gap between races

I just never got into pets, maybe I will eventually.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 10 2010 11:16 AM EDT


But I'm trying to force myself to us my pet, just for the Pet skills. :(

The fights and races seem so totally random, they don't really fire my interest.

I can't even be bothered to feed my pet, or get it any new runes.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 10 2010 11:27 AM EDT

animal friendship as well as animal trainer have no level requirements for subsequent levels, so you can get quit a bit of attribute points without having to wait on levelling up.

Wraithlin September 10 2010 11:35 AM EDT

the down side to pets is that it is a money sink. I don't know what the secret is to winning, but it seems like sheer luck even if you have everything going your way.

so at lower levels when you're trying to get heroism and just get dungeons done in general it's tough to find that extra cash to race or fight the pet.

but you're right, they are guaranteed free and easy to get stats that level quite quickly.

Wraithlin September 10 2010 11:35 AM EDT

by free, i don't mean money, i mean you don't need to spend any time on them.

Ankou September 10 2010 11:36 AM EDT

Well, looking into it a bit more in the wiki, I learned a bit more about how its not as much random as I thought. Pet stats correlate exactly with your stats, just a different name. Each pet rune is the same as you runes, just for your pet. This means that to use runes better in fighting, you need the associated stats, order plays a part too. In races, mood plays a part, as does the item you give it to help it. Duno if stats help races.

Wraithlin September 10 2010 11:43 AM EDT

I was chatting with the guild leader. Since this is a training guild with still over 50 slots available he seems open to alts in the guild. I'm going to be adding at least one more if not all my alts.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 10 2010 11:49 AM EDT

as far as the pets go, even if you don't win you still get the skill ups, perhaps more for winning but that isn't necessary for the skills. as for the money, a random win in the race here and there drops trophies that pretty much even out the cost of pets or at least has done so for me so far.

i think i may be better off though releasing the maxed out pet and training up another one as you get more skill points whilst growing one.

to answer my own earlier question, once a pet maxes growth, he will not like any food which only means he didn't grow any further from it. his mood will still improve though which is what you need to do better in the races.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 10 2010 12:41 PM EDT

What stats do you get from growing your pet? I thought you only got skills from Winning/Losing Races and Fights?

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 10 2010 1:01 PM EDT

animal friendship & animal tamer, now that i check the wiki says you get them from losing fights & races. i know i got something else though just for feeding my pet, or thought i did. i will check when i release this one and start a new one.

those also happen to be the ones that do not have a level requirement for continued improvement.

as for winning races, it would seem that the better your pets mood the better your chances of winning.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 10 2010 1:16 PM EDT

the skill list from the wiki is also quite useful.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 10 2010 4:38 PM EDT

I was just in a race with your Hampster Dude! ;)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 10 2010 4:39 PM EDT

my hamster got all pissy because i have fought him non-stop for days now and the feeding can't keep his mood up, hehe!

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 11 2010 5:10 AM EDT

OK, Heroism dinged me to 8.

That's all the 'special' skills to get at low level done. I've still got things like Gatherer and Self defense left, but not sure what to focus on now.

My Gear is set up to level the skills I've not been using, and i'm going to aim to get Tactician thorugh it. Destruction can wait until I get to 10 and start leveling Fist again.

So what to aim for now?

Just level through the arena and even jobs?

Aim for some dungeons?

Go level through PvP?

Maybe moving to a PvP enabled city and doing some of that would be the best bet. With PvP being the cheapest action to skill up on, plus the Dust you can get.

Any other low level dungeons I sohuld be loking out for for gear? (I got a Lightning Reflexes from my last Battle Tournament clear! WooT!)

ScrObot September 11 2010 5:29 AM EDT

Check the wiki for the potential charm drops in each of the dungeons that are accessible to your level and see if there are any you like. I know there are a bunch of different ones that drop in the Goblin Tower in Zeal, I just made my way over there and am bouncing between it and Eversweep for the PvP. The Cursed Forest in Lumina also has a bunch of different charm drops.

Wraithlin September 11 2010 9:34 AM EDT

I recommend checking the wiki for +HP skills you can farm at your level and do that. Apparantly alot of them just get harder as you level up, so get them while they're easy.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 13 2010 10:18 AM EDT


Level: 9 (13/15) Growth: 49/900

HP: 109 P: 20 D: 20
SP: 25 C: 18 I: 30

Skills Mastered

Twin Blades
Fist Weapons
Cheat Death

Skills Working on

Tactician (88/100)
Balance (85/100)
Earth (36/100)
Courage (24/100)
Axe (23/100)
Burst (20/100)
Self Defense (15/100)
Destruction (4/100)

The next thing I master will ding me to 10, opening up the next Rank of most of my Mastered Skills.

Then I can go back to using and mastering my Fist Weapons! ;)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 14 2010 4:19 PM EDT


If you don't mind not earning Gold, in between farming whatever dungeon you're at for Charms, go to a PvP enabled town and do some PvP.

Here's the trick.

Search for "Players of all levels" and sort by "Rating".

Go to the last page, and how a look at all the low rating, high level players. Inspect them (I have to right click on thier name and open in a new tab...) and look out for the high levels farms with 13 (or as low) charms.

You can easily beat these by exhaustion.

It's a good way to farm PvP gear, level your skills (as you can use whatever charms you want, and it costs 10 or even less AP per fight) and level 'Courage'.


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 14 2010 4:20 PM EDT

Save up some AP, and find a town with a nice amount of these (mostly illegal multis) and you can easily get some of the kill 5 in a row/10 in a row PvP achivements as well. ;)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 14 2010 5:30 PM EDT

if you can take the conveyor jobs you can get two moves in a day.

Wraithlin September 17 2010 10:40 AM EDT

I've started doing alot of gathering with my chars.

It's a good source of a few skills including the exploring skill and all extreme --- skills. The extreme and explorer both give HP as part of the bonus so they are worthwhile.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 17 2010 11:49 AM EDT

Takes too long to skill those up at the moment for me. Especially as Extreme's are random.

I've been skilling up (12/15 at 10th level for ages) using all the bots in PvP. You can get an amazing amount of stuff skilled up, for only 7AP, by farming the 20+ bots in places like Aleas. ;) I use my job to move to Lumina to hit the dungeon, then move back to PvP.

I've made over 2K Gold selling white soul fragments I can't carry, and can't craft as I don't have any Red/Blue ones to go with them.

And I've already got 'David and Goliath', '50 PvP Wins', '20 Adventurers' and '1 Novice' (Hi Hi! :P) under my belt. ;)

Ankou September 17 2010 11:52 AM EDT

Lots of the defensive charms are white only

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 17 2010 1:13 PM EDT

Soul Fragments? I've got 5 of the Willpower ones from them. It's the Soul Crystals I've sold. I could disenchant them, but it's costs 200G a pop. :(

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 23 2010 12:00 PM EDT

i have finally just started farming the heck out of dungeons, i think that is the best way so far that i have found to get charms. i especially liked the cursed forest with the banes and the summons. after having some summons going on, i am now sure in my earlier thoughts of becoming a summoner.

can you still get the charm drops from lowbie dungeons once you have levelled up a bit? i know there isn't much reason to do so, but i have always been a collector at heart.


Wraithlin September 23 2010 12:19 PM EDT

your level difference doesn't affect drops in dungeons i don't think, just whether or not you get skillups. So you can collect outdated charms if you really want, but you won't be leveling skills.

Ankou September 23 2010 1:18 PM EDT

You can only gain skillups if your character is within a 3-5 level difference from the enemy. Charms and other drops can be acquired from any dungeon you are able to clear, should all other requirements be met.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 29 2010 9:52 AM EDT

how does a spirit charm work exactly?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 29 2010 10:24 AM EDT

Spirit damages the number of cards you can hold, making you discard a number of cards from your hand at random.

Willpower is like armour, it reduces Spirit damage.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] September 29 2010 10:27 AM EDT

so if i play a card with 1 spirit it would remove a card from my opponent's deck unless they have willpower?


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 29 2010 10:29 AM EDT


Unless you play it agianst a "-" NPC, which would have no effect (well, they'd still discard a card, but they have an unlimited amount to draw. I suppose it might be useful to mess up an NPC that might have a fixed draw pattern or the like...).

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 29 2010 10:29 AM EDT

And as usual, your 1 Spirit card would then reduce thier Willpower by 1.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 29 2010 10:30 AM EDT

I've not seen any 'peircing' Spirit cards yet, but that's not to say there isn't any! :P

Ankou September 29 2010 11:58 AM EDT

there is not any piercing spirit cards. The closest there is is cards that do -willpower then spirit damage
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