America's Future? (in Off-topic)


Kefeck [BlackSmith] September 6 2010 1:48 AM EDT

A fine article.. Definitely worth a read :).

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2009/November/Britain-A-Glimpse-of-Americas-Future/

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 6 2010 2:13 AM EDT

Obvious even for you Kef...

Kefeck [BlackSmith] September 6 2010 2:47 AM EDT

If it's so obvious then why don't millions of people get it?


(For future reference I ask post something that will actually help the thread rather then shoot down the intelligence of the creator, I really don't appreciate it)

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] September 6 2010 2:47 AM EDT

Definitely not worth a read. If I want Highlights for neo-con man children, I'll flip over to Fox News, because the 700 club is not fair and balanced by any conceivable means. Ask this guy.

Kefeck [BlackSmith] September 6 2010 3:13 AM EDT

Well the overall credibility of "the 700 club" really has nothing to do with this article.

The article brings up a very possible and likely scenario that can result from a more socialistic government. In no way is there anything wrong with that.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 6 2010 3:21 AM EDT

The article is the same hideous FUD getting slathered all over the American psyche. I'm fairly certain the folks here on CB are capable of sane conversion concerning the merits of admitting we live in a social democracy currently experiencing a period of mild turmoil.

BTW if you're trying to scare me, try not using a country housing the most livable large city I've ever seen. While the cameras are certainly creepy, they've far less scary than the attitude of most Americans concerning privacy.

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] September 6 2010 3:31 AM EDT


Little help: Yes, in fact, the source always matters.

AdminNightStrike September 6 2010 3:42 AM EDT

...we live in a social democracy...

*cough* republic *cough*



AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] September 6 2010 3:46 AM EDT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy#Present

We certainly quack like a duck

AdminNightStrike September 6 2010 3:57 AM EDT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

That's what we are. Representative Democracy ~= Const. Repub.

This always goes down to state level, and in some cases to jurisdictions below that (county, city, etc.) The city I'm currently in has a constitution, for instance. The town next over does not. The state does. I helped amend it :)

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] September 6 2010 4:03 AM EDT

Has everything to do with the article when all is said and crucified.
If you wanted to spark a debate, post in debate!
That island has systems on par more or less with america. Their pound is worth considerably more, the children can find China on a map, and they have a healthcare system worth keeping. They have creepy cameras inplace of our corporate door kicking law enforcement agencies wouldn't you say. Why should we be scared of a future that is already better than the present?

QBJohnnywas September 6 2010 4:26 AM EDT

Speaking as somebody who lives there, the majority of cameras on the streets tend to be traffic cams, lots of them aren't even switched on. A lot are used by police to identify criminals.

Our healthcare system is so bad that people come from all over the world to get treated, and interestingly come to train here, including a large amount of Americans..

And as for Thatcher's fiscal conservatism supposedly sorting out our economy? She created the highest unemployment we have ever seen, and decimated our homegrown industries. There are parts of the country that have had no real work locally for two decades thanks to decisions that government made.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 4:38 AM EDT

Johnny hits nail on head. ;)

QBOddBird September 6 2010 9:15 AM EDT

Pick apart the article a bit, Kefeck. After the first two paragraphs, the entire thing is about how terrible Britain is and how heavily government has a hand in their lives. It is to try to scare you through their statement that America is becoming like Britain, an argument firmly supported by all of two sentences in the article:

Because a lot of the legislation going through Congress, if passed, could make America look a lot more like a European nation. Such a scenario would include government-run health care, cap and trade energy rationing and a massive overall explosion of government, which means massive government spending, massive government debt, and massive government intrusion into your life.

It sums up to this argument:

IF certain legislation is passed, THEN America will look like Britain.

Government run healthcare, cap and trade energy rationing, and a bigger government MEANS big gov't spending, debt, and intrusion.

Can you spot the logic fail here?

moskel September 6 2010 9:51 AM EDT

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2010/08/08/unemployed-21st-century-draft-horse/

Here is America's (most of Europe is already to this point which is why they have had ~10% unemployment for decades) future.

QBOddBird September 6 2010 10:40 AM EDT

What the author describes there - human labor becoming less skilled, especially in comparison to machines/computers that can do the same job with little-to-no error - doesn't sound so much like a "future of America" thing but more of a "future of labor" thing.

DERPA [Red Permanent Assurance] September 6 2010 12:41 PM EDT

An exceedingly better article of doom none the less.

Lord Bob September 6 2010 1:29 PM EDT

If I want Highlights for neo-con man children, I'll flip over to Fox News, because the 700 club is not fair and balanced by any conceivable means.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of reading more stupid right wing propaganda here on CB Gun! I owe you one.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] September 6 2010 3:26 PM EDT

I actually bothered to read the first link now. ;)

which means massive government spending, massive government debt, and massive government intrusion into your life. It sounds to some people like Britain.

LoL! Government Intrusion? What exactly is that? The only reason I've;

1) Been to the Houses of Parliament
2) Met a few MPs

Is that a long time close family friend recently became one.

MPs don't knock on my door 12am on a friday night and ask to kip on my sofa. Intrude?

Britain today is almost a police state.

Really? I've met two policement in the last, well as far back as I care to remember. The first is becuase he's atached to the School I work at, and the second when my folks house got broken into recently (and due to a diligent nieghbour, they were there in under 5 minutes, and the burglars got away with hardly anything).

The last time I was stopped by the police was over 15 years ago, when someone pulled me over to check my newly passed driving skills.

Police State indeed.

There is a lot more Police presence back on the streets, thorugh CSOs (Comminuty Support Officers), which is only a good thing.

Some Britons would tell you that unless you want the government snooping through your trash can someday, it's not something America should strive for.

/tinfoilhat

That's a suggestion about 'encouraging' people to recycle more. Not to count the number of naughty items you're disposing off a week.
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