Where are you GentlemanLoser? (in General)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 26 2011 4:58 PM EDT

I've just noticed my January 1st 2005 character 'GentlemanLoser' has disappeared.

Unless I traded him away with the rest of my guys to TP. :/

He also seems to have taken all my T-Shirts with him as well. Well, apart form the latest one I recently got.

AdminQBVerifex [Serenity In Chaos] July 26 2011 5:01 PM EDT

I am looking around, and I can't find them, any idea where they might be?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 26 2011 5:02 PM EDT

I tried the back of the sofa, but no joy. :(

Usually, when stuff like this happens, my wife has decided to tidy up. She's out at a footie match tonight, so I can't grill her on it! Yet. ;)

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] July 26 2011 5:38 PM EDT

I'm looking through the chars on TP for it now...

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 26 2011 5:43 PM EDT

i doubt it will be found, i specified that as an opponent and hit inspect to no avail.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 26 2011 5:48 PM EDT

I don't think I'd be able to trade him away (and I'm sure I wouldn't have wanted to) as if he had my T-Shirts, you couldn't move them.

Just one of those Characters eaten by the nebulous character eater. ;)

Oh well. Good thing I never liked 4 minion teams, I'd never be able to give them all T-Shirts now! ;)

TourneyPrizes July 26 2011 5:53 PM EDT

Any admin could have moved them accidentally however... any idea what the MPR of the char was?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 26 2011 5:55 PM EDT


Pretty sure he was a blank character.

Unappreciated Misnomer July 26 2011 5:56 PM EDT

maybe a threshold was met and we will see retired characters disappear?

QBJohnnywas July 26 2011 6:07 PM EDT

You didn't happen to rename him did you?

Maybe into this:


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 26 2011 6:18 PM EDT

Nah I had both of them. ;)

(To be honest, I'm not sure if GL was created on the 1st any more, but I had him side by side with Talhearn for a while)

Still doesn't solve the mystery of my missing T-Shirts! :P

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] July 26 2011 6:37 PM EDT

I can solve that quickly... plenty of extras on TP

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 26 2011 7:54 PM EDT

This is definitely a case of the deleting chars!!!!

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] July 26 2011 9:13 PM EDT

Well if he was a blank character that was retired then he would have been deleted after several months.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 27 2011 2:12 AM EDT

I still have Talhearn, my other Jan 1st Character, who's also empty and retired.

He doesn't seem to have been eaten, yet.

Anyway, I didn't think it was a design to delete characters, but rather more of an unfound bug in the system, where characters just disappear.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 27 2011 9:43 AM EDT

No, Jon has stated in old posts that I found when I was researching, and then NS again more recently, this was intended by design. Chars are intended to be deleted if their MPR and NW is low enough and they are retired. I don't remember what the exact numbers were, or what the time or trigger was for the deletion, but it's definitely there by design.

Demigod July 27 2011 9:57 AM EDT

When this popped up a week or two ago, the assumption was that it should only occur with very low MPR characters.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 27 2011 10:05 AM EDT

yes, CB still deletes low-end retired chars eventually


AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 27 2011 10:06 AM EDT



AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 27 2011 10:20 AM EDT

I'm sure if it's just T-shirts, there's some way they could get them back to you :) It's not like it gives you an advantage, and we definitely know you've been around for them.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 27 2011 11:41 AM EDT


Maybe I'll ask for them if I start fighting again, or want a 4 minion team. ;)

I'm not overly worried about their loss, but the loss of a Jan 1st character nags at my OCD. ;)

I'd love to be able to dust one off (say if we got a RB!) and level a team that was created on the first day.

I'd really hate for Talhearn to be eaten by the mysterious retired character deletion process! ;)

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 27 2011 11:43 AM EDT

Yeah, that's why I asked about it the other day. I want to retire some chars with some stuff on them, and some money for the tournament, but I don't want them to be deleted with all the stuff on it. B/c while there are a lot of items, it's very little NW.

MissingNo July 27 2011 1:16 PM EDT

When I read the title of this thread I thought you were having an metaphysical existential problem, haha.

AdminNightStrike July 27 2011 1:56 PM EDT

CB purges retired parties that fall into two categories:

1) retired a month, power < 1000, NW < 1000
2) retired two months, power < 50k, NW < 100k

with lots of checks against things like clam membership, or outstanding auctions / rentals, etc.

AdminQBnovice [Cult of the Valaraukar] July 27 2011 2:16 PM EDT

That second NW req should be lowered or initial price of rares should increase

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 27 2011 2:26 PM EDT

Does the NW include money on the char, I'm hoping it does.

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 27 2011 2:29 PM EDT

we have two stats, nw and richest so i am thinking that nw doesn't include cash on hand.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 27 2011 2:45 PM EDT

Yeah, typical NW doesn't include that, but it seems ludicrous to delete a char with millions of dollars on it, and since Jon did this intentionally, it's not something I figured he'd over look.

Lord Bob July 27 2011 3:10 PM EDT

with lots of checks against things like clam membership,
I wish I was in a clam right now!


AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 27 2011 3:34 PM EDT

How can a retired char be in a clan?

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 27 2011 4:02 PM EDT

My retired Character Talhearn is blank, with zero NW and zero Power, but was retired in 2010.

Why hasn't he been deleted?

(And really, I think this info should be somewhere visible, to stop people losing items and characters when they don't expect to!)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 27 2011 5:53 PM EDT

Random thought.

Could the NCB BA cost be scrapped. Er, I mean could we unlink this from other active characters you have?

Instead of retiring old bank characters, the only other option is to fire all the minions.

Which in the eventuality you do retire them, means they will always be auto deleted from having a zero MPR.

Or, instead of auto deletion by size, could it be based on character age? Those retired under a month get deleted first, then those under say 6 months. Any older characters never get retired, regardless of MPR/NW?

AdminNightStrike July 28 2011 9:41 AM EDT

Presumably teams with no minions don't register as 0 PR, they register as a null value for PR. So, the sql query skips them as a side effect.

AdminNightStrike July 28 2011 9:41 AM EDT

How can a retired char be in a clan?

Stranger things have happened.

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 28 2011 9:53 AM EDT

So, does the current system take into account money on the character as well NS... b/c that could be a huge problem.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 28 2011 12:03 PM EDT

NS, my GentlemanLoser character hadn't had any minions for years, but still got presumably deleted.

I don't think this auto deletion is quite as reliable as expected. ;)

AdminTitan [The Sky Forge] July 28 2011 12:10 PM EDT

C'est la Carnage Blender

AdminG Beee July 28 2011 5:44 PM EDT

I'm generally sober these days but I hope I wasn't drunk and hit something by accident when banning your account a while back ;)

Admindudemus [jabberwocky] July 28 2011 5:57 PM EDT

is generally sober a higher rank than majorly sober?

Demigod July 28 2011 6:00 PM EDT

It certainly sounds better than privately sober.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] July 28 2011 8:00 PM EDT

I'm generally sober these days but I hope I wasn't drunk and hit something by accident when banning your account a while back ;)

LoL! ;)
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