If you believe you can justify it - you're wrong! (in Off-topic)

AdminG Beee October 6 2012 2:40 PM EDT

I've just finished watching a TV documentary [Ross Kemp:Extreme World] hosted by the British actor Ross Kemp. It's not a particularly good documentary but he gets the point across.
The specific episode that I've just watched concentrates on him visiting New Orleans and talking to locals who have been affected by violence and hardship along with some of the authorities who are attempting to combat the problems.

After watching the episode I then read this news article.

I didn't put this post in the debates forum because I'm not really interested in debating the point with anyone. However, I felt it worthy of a post just to express my disgust at politics in general but American politics in particular. I have my own political views and believe in them as much as the next person and no-one can justify the logic of such a waste of money whilst your country is totally screwed up.

As the thread title says; If you believe you can justify it, you're wrong!

QBBast [Hidden Agenda] October 6 2012 4:22 PM EDT

I still love you, Beee.

IPoop October 6 2012 4:58 PM EDT

caught the first two and been meaning to watch the rest (Ross may come from a crap soap backround but when he switched to the whole gangs/extreme he became first class almost imo), so cant comment on the N.O. episode for now as such what i do know of N.O. is awful.

As to the politics sadly as dire as the US is (and its awful) we are only slightly better now bordering on a perm 3 party mainly but are sure to follow the US (corporate/capatilist led politics - though it may help future generations improve upon my spelling .... maybe)

+1 for Ross Kemp as a semi serious journo though
(and thanks for the reminder!)

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 6 2012 7:54 PM EDT

You from the UK IPoop?

If you're talking about the Lib Dems, I can assure you no one will vote for them again in recent memory.

Duke October 6 2012 9:36 PM EDT

In quebec where i am from, political donation are limited to 1K per person and its illegal for any organisation (syndicate corporation..) to donate or finance any rally ads.... anything related to politic. Lobbying need to be register on a list, lobbying from the shadow is illegal. Super PAC or think tank need to be register as such and must declare where there money is from and the money is not tax deductable since is not a OSBL.

Its give us a major scandale every 5 year or so when X party get caught taking illegal donation. Right now there a huge public investigation on the link between politic construction industry and the italien mob. The general thinking is that when a scandale broke out mean your country is more corrupt , well not really its mean someone is doing is job. Corruption is there in every country, public or private.

PS : OSBL organiste a but non lucrative something like the red cross not sure what is the term in english.

IPoop October 6 2012 11:19 PM EDT

yep i am ... and i switched to libs ... and your right i wont vote for them again
10/10 top of the class! :)

IPoop October 6 2012 11:25 PM EDT

sounds a better way to do it than the UK/US duke!

Duke October 6 2012 11:52 PM EDT

My point was mostly that its can be done if the will of the population is there. Reality is there none, between a debate on the next budget and the superbowl, superbowl will get a order of magnitude more coverage. Its not the media fault is social issue. When only 50% of the population now vote in the USA you know that they dont care or they just dont want to be involve for X factor.

A proposition to make torrent illegal would stir more debate and action here (CB) that doing a 75% tax cut the oil industry (insert any bad politic).

A Lesser AR of 15 [Red Permanent Assurance] October 7 2012 12:12 AM EDT

/me stomps the pellet button

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 7 2012 5:56 AM EDT

Who was it that called Clegg 'Smithers' to Camerons 'Burns'? I might have heard the on Mock the Week.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] October 7 2012 6:01 AM EDT

Duke, it's probably a factor to 2 things.

1) Lack of Education on the subject. No one here is education on either how, or why they should vote. It's mainly a heritage/legacy thing. You're bought up in a (for example only) Labour family, you vote Labour. A bit like Religion. ;)

2) Apathy. Nothing we do makes any difference anyway. Policies and law are all ruled and controlled by a tiny portion of society. And always have been. And nothing we do really changes this. So why bother?

Election 'promises' are PR fluff to trick foolish people into voting for you. They aren't followed though, and quite frequently the exact opposite of what was 'promised' actually happens.

So why listen to any Party anyway? The same folk are going to get in, for the same reasons, to do the same things. Make themselves and thier peers better off, at the expense of eveyone else.

Duke October 7 2012 6:40 AM EDT


Its not true that its does not change something. Its does but its slow, social habit take generation to stir in a direction. Politic legacy is a factor, like right to bear arm in the USA is a direct result of how the PR have spin there independant war.
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