A question about Junctioning. (in General)

Obstetric Phantom April 19 2014 11:21 AM EDT

I don't know why, but somehow I've got the idea in my head that trained Strength, Dexterity, and Skills are transfered to the junctioned familiar by the Amulet of Junction. Does this actually happen, or am I just a crazy person for thinking it does that? lol

Unappreciated Misnomer April 19 2014 11:29 AM EDT

Just the items positive effects are transferred from my knowledge.

[Quoth]The Raven April 19 2014 11:31 AM EDT

This does not actually happen, so far as I'm aware anyway. It ought to be just the effects of gear equipped on the minion wearing the AoJ.

Regarding your sanity, were you informed about the STR/DEX/SKILL transfers by the voices in your head? That might be a little concerning!

Obstetric Phantom April 19 2014 11:43 AM EDT

Maybe its this from the wiki that I just can't wrap my head around:

"100% of most of the positive effects are passed on, 150% for ST and DX, and some of the negative effects are fully blocked. ST and DX penalties are blocked by Junction, but some other penalties are not, for example, the -5 UC for using a Shield. To get the full effect for ST and DX the junction minion needs to have a base of 100 ST and DX."

I know that its supposed to be only junctioning items' effects, but what what exactly does "150% for ST and DX" and "To get the full effect for ST and DX..." mean, anyway? Maybe if I get that clarified, then everything will be cleared up in my poor brain!

[Quoth]The Raven April 19 2014 11:52 AM EDT

My assumption is that for STR and DEX bonuses, you get 150% of that bonus. So +10 Tulkas Gauntlets on a minion with an AoJ would grant a 15% bonus to the familiar's STR, rather than just the 10% they grant to the minion.
That's how I read that part of the wiki entry at any rate.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] April 19 2014 12:15 PM EDT

It's as Raven says for the str and dex transfer. 150% of the bonus is transferred over.

As for the 100 base str and dex this is needed because it doesn't actually transfer over the direct effect but rather the ratio difference between the base and the actual amount after bonuses. Thus if you had say 20 str base and a 12% bonus to str, you would end up with 22 str after the bonus and get a 15% bonus junctioned over. This is because 22 str is the same as a 10% bonus to str rather than the actual 12% that it is supposed to be. With 100 base str you would end out with 112% and transfer over an 18% bonus with junction.

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] April 19 2014 3:05 PM EDT

Skills do transfer tho.

Obstetric Phantom April 20 2014 2:58 AM EDT

So, Nemesia, it is not the bonus to the strength and dexterity of the minion that is transfered to the familiar? There just needs to be a certain amount of dex and strength on the minion for the effects of the junctioned stat-boosting item to fully affect the familiar, up to 150% of the normal boost, correct? In other words, strength and dexterity are not transfered from the minion, but there is a required amount of strength and dexterity that needs to be trained on the minion for the Amulet of Junction to function to its maximum. So, a Buckler of Mandos +16 would, if the minion had enough strength trained on it, be equivalent to the familiar being junctioned with a Buckler of Mandos +24. Is that correct?

And, Eliteofdelete, skills do transfer? That's pretty nice! So, I can train Evasion equivalent to my Halidon familiar's dexterity in order to give him fully effective Evasion! Or, I could train even more Unarmed Combat on a minion and it would be transfered to a Jigorokano Familiar to give it even more Unarmed Combat levels?
In the case of the Unarmed Combat transfering over, would it be simply adding the levels from the minion on top of the Jigorokano's levels, or would the minion's levels be counted as experience in Unarmed Combat that would be added to the amount of experience trained in Unarmed Combat by the Jigorokano familiar to be recalculated into levels, just like how the Displacement Boot's +'s add to Evasion?

Obstetric Phantom April 23 2014 9:05 AM EDT

I still need confirmation from a knowledgeable person about these things, can any of you help me?

Eliteofdelete [Battle Royale] April 23 2014 4:22 PM EDT

Yes transferring skills works. As for the UC, it used to double dip in a strange way, not sure if it ever got fixed. But it should just add experience but I could be wrong.

Newlin [SeeD] April 23 2014 7:17 PM EDT

I think UC still double dips in that it adds the bonus to the Jig's UC and then to your trained, junctioned UC before it is added to the Jig's UC.

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] April 24 2014 12:27 AM EDT

The double dipping was for the evasion side. It would junction over the evasion effect (from your trained UC) in addition to the trained UC (Giving an evasion effect)

Obstetric Phantom April 24 2014 9:32 AM EDT

Ah, very interesting! Thanks for all the info and confirmation!

Also, does the 150% boost thing work how I posted, or am I mistaken on that?

AdminNemesia [Demonic Serenity] April 24 2014 11:15 AM EDT

Yes, that's the way the str and dex transfer works. It's just that when you have less than 100 base str and dex you will get "rounding errors" which are always rounded down.

Obstetric Phantom April 24 2014 4:22 PM EDT

Excellent!! My understanding is complete, now! Thank you all so very much!
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