just wondering: is ToE underpowered? (in General)


Untouchable June 10 2:41 PM EDT

i cant seem to find any use for it

magician [Welcome Back] June 10 5:57 PM EDT

A 6M ToE will reduce (physical) damage by 51%

Though nothing against DD or RoBF, but combined with a MgS could be worth a try, dunno.

Piper [The Z-Fighters] June 10 9:16 PM EDT

If I were to rank tats, it would be last. Wouldn't be close.

magician [Welcome Back] June 10 11:27 PM EDT

That made me curious ;)

So I simply tested it with my 105mil HP:

I'm able to fight my opponents list equally except Blunderville & Blender, all others i beat with ToE the same.

With RoBF ﾱ54mil:

Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Thrice Denied (F) (+) (Ministry of Pain)Ember Flame1011:14 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Legiones Astartes (F) (+) (SHIELD)Ember Flame911:13 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Blender2021 (F) (+) (Blender 2021)Ember Flame1411:13 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Vicra (F) (+) (The Brotherhood)Ember Flame2111:13 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)The Immortals (F) (+) (Cult of the Valaraukar)Ember Flame1211:13 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Law (F) (+) (Superheros)Ember Flame1111:13 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Blunderville (F) (+) (Superheros)Ember Flame1711:12 PM EDT


With ToE ﾱ54mil

AttackerDefenderWinnerRoundsAt
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Thrice Denied (F) (+) (Ministry of Pain)Ember Flame1411:18 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Legiones Astartes (F) (+) (SHIELD)Ember Flame1111:17 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Blender2021 (F) (+) (Blender 2021)Blender20211611:17 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Vicra (F) (+) (The Brotherhood)Ember Flame5011:17 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)The Immortals (F) (+) (Cult of the Valaraukar)Ember Flame2411:16 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Law (F) (+) (Superheros)Ember Flame1911:16 PM EDT
Ember Flame (Welcome Back)Blunderville (F) (+) (Superheros)Blunderville1911:16 PM EDT


Fights take significant longer now as i only have Decay + about 500k SG now as damage.

I'll post some damage comparison in the next post.

magician [Welcome Back] June 10 11:44 PM EDT

RoBF:
Ember Flame defeated Blunderville (Superheros) after 17 rounds of combat
Ember FlameBlunderville
Physical
Ranged Hits / Shots / Avg Damage0 / 0 / 013 / 13 / 1.272.988
Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage0 / 0 / 044 / 44 / 972.304
Magical
Enchantments Cast18
DD Cast / Avg Damage20 / 2.983.61512 / 4.407.607


RANGED COMBAT
AngreiferZielAnzahlMinMaxAvgTotal
Tsome wobbly pile of sand131.035.8001.678.3061.272.98816.548.845
MELEE COMBAT
AngreiferZielAnzahlMinMaxAvgTotal
Tsome wobbly pile of sand30436.969850.652602.47518.074.264
TEmber Leech141.475.1582.131.1151.764.79724.707.153
MEmber Leech123.355.9986.481.9074.407.60852.891.291
Ember Leech (flames)M114.471.6065.845.0265.144.11756.585.282
Ember Leech (flames)T18.880.7988.880.7988.880.7988.880.798
Ember LeechE2428.1866.558.4472.744.02710.976.106
Ember LeechE13850.3176.558.4473.356.18610.068.558
Ember LeechT5844.38516.558.4376.071.55030.357.752
some wobbly pile of sandE231.053.8771.153.8981.088.8333.266.499
some wobbly pile of sandE13890.6381.238.8591.029.5523.088.656
some wobbly pile of sandT2781.1991.133.537957.3681.914.736
E2's Guardian AngelEmber Leech416.0901.438.405835.2773.341.107
E2's Guardian Angelsome wobbly pile of sand36.479259.588170.017510.052
E1's Guardian AngelEmber Leech3487.4231.434.3491.040.4983.121.494
E1's Guardian Angelsome wobbly pile of sand3243.179282.588259.073777.218
T's Guardian AngelEmber Leech5483.7971.722.9931.182.3505.911.748
T's Guardian Angelsome wobbly pile of sand2188.757308.822248.790497.579


ToE:
Blunderville (Superheros) defeated Ember Flame after 19 rounds of combat
Ember FlameBlunderville
Physical
Ranged Hits / Shots / Avg Damage0 / 0 / 014 / 14 / 848.665
Melee Hits / Blows / Avg Damage0 / 0 / 041 / 41 / 217.984
Magical
Enchantments Cast18
DD Cast / Avg Damage29 / 3.382.35515 / 6.017.491


RANGED COMBAT
AngreiferZielAnzahlMinMaxAvgTotal
Tsome wobbly pile of sand14683.0831.072.463848.66611.881.318
MELEE COMBAT
AngreiferZielAnzahlMinMaxAvgTotal
Tsome wobbly pile of sand41157.511319.870217.9858.937.366
MEmber Leech144.036.4418.332.0145.748.90380.484.648
Msome wobbly pile of sand19.777.7319.777.7319.777.7319.777.731
Ember LeechE2466.1436.558.4472.788.52011.154.081
Ember LeechE14123.9906.558.4472.661.71310.646.850
Ember LeechT5163.61816.558.4375.900.20029.501.000
Ember LeechM211.732.46623.225.10317.478.78534.957.569
some wobbly pile of sandE23778.6871.117.982961.8432.885.529
some wobbly pile of sandE14722.434810.783767.1223.068.487
some wobbly pile of sandT5627.6331.230.655924.3204.621.600
some wobbly pile of sandM2493.016760.170626.5931.253.186
E2's Guardian AngelEmber Leech437.8721.433.750858.5943.434.376
E2's Guardian Angelsome wobbly pile of sand317.760327.423187.532562.595
E1's Guardian AngelEmber Leech471.0011.427.954829.9863.319.944
E1's Guardian Angelsome wobbly pile of sand428.057198.452151.215604.860
T's Guardian AngelEmber Leech593.6761.723.7671.051.8925.259.460
T's Guardian Angelsome wobbly pile of sand544.309322.665186.946934.731
M's Guardian AngelEmber Leech21.597.5761.845.3961.721.4863.442.972
M's Guardian Angelsome wobbly pile of sand2114.047217.353165.700331.400


Didn't draw any conclusion yet, just collected some data for now.

Have fun!

magician [Welcome Back] June 11 12:07 AM EDT

ai summary:

FeatureToERoBF
Flame DamageNone65,466,080 total damage
T's Target StrategyOnly attacked wobbly pile of sand (55 attacks)Split attacks: wobbly pile of sand (43) + Ember Leech (14)
Ranged Damage/Hit848,666 average1,272,988 average (+50%)
Melee Damage/Hit217,985 average602,475 average (+176%)
Shocking Grasp/Hit5,748,903 average4,407,608 average (-23%)
Guardian Angel/Hit616,908 average707,960 average (+15%)

magician [Welcome Back] June 11 12:13 AM EDT

so my conclusion would be:

It's nice to see to drop T's damage from 600k (already very low) to only 200k.

It doesn't reduce SG at all, while the RoBF does, so i receive more magical but way less physical damage.

It might work if i had put some of the HP into SG as i survive longer with ToE.

summary: Inking back to RoBF right now :)

Untouchable June 11 3:45 PM EDT

*brain explodes*

GohaNUB June 11 11:24 PM EDT

This is why I always went with a phys tank w/ MoD and a SG tatt, with a large EC it combats just about any strat out there. The only downfall was EoD and his multiple ExBow's with enchanters having massive str/haste with one of them eventually hitting my tank.
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