member since April 03... (in General)

I like this game, I play this game, enjoy several aspects of this game. I miss the comraderie of the old days, when Carnage the room had 40 people peak times.

CB has grown and changed dramatically, and almost instantaneously. I don't have the time right now to read up on all the new rules and changes. Heck I just realized today(at work) I am using a 2h melee and xbow. But I like tha game, and dig the people.

I am now going to a 4yr University and started this game during my first semester back in school at the associates level. 2 diplomas, and a certification later I am still playing this game. I also work 30 hrs a week at a computer/network sales and service retail store. I play from work when I can.

/me apologizes for rambling

Today I came home from fighting w/ financial aid all day and getting xferred to the uni, then 6 hrs at work, and got boote for trying to make conversation w/ another vet. I really wanted to play, but got my feelers hurt, by this, I've never been booted before, and it seems cruel to boot someone for a first offence, not even knowing the player. Especially in new players. I'd like to know who laid down this decree? Was it just a happy trigger finger? Cuz that seems just rash

tell me if you think I am wrong? But that seemed rash.

here is record of my PM to wildthang
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<system> [mail:] A Tattoo of Jigorokano loaned to Bela L III has returned to its owner
<Max> You play wulfram?
=> Max nope, I dunno what that is m8
<Max> Mk.
=> Max y?
<Max> Just curious
=> Max naw, now u have tot ell me
=> Max I invented that line
<Max> I thought you knew someone named DrDeath on that game
=> Max u can't use it on me
=> Max oh ok
=> Max cool
<Max> Ok, George
<Max> :)
=> Max naw, there used to be a Dr Death here
=> Max he was a fellow student and a state away
=> Max =o)
=> Max older student
<[YG]Wildthing> no FS/WTB in new players please
=> [YG]Wildthing you might as well ban
- User [YG]Wildthing is not online
=> [YG]Wildthing you might as well ban
=> [YG]Wildthing me
=> [YG]Wildthing that was stupid
=> [YG]Wildthing I have played this game for longer than a year, and you kick me for asking if anyone has anything for sale? I forgot...
=> [YG]Wildthing that simple, I have been warned once
=> [YG]Wildthing but if ure gonna be a nazi about it
<[YG]Wildthing> It is a new rule we are trying to enforce
=> [YG]Wildthing I'll stay out of your rooms
<[YG]Wildthing> read the forums
=> [YG]Wildthing and freaking give you grief everytime I see you
=> [YG]Wildthing lol
=> [YG]Wildthing are you a nazibot?
* [YG]Wildthing shrigs
* [YG]Wildthing shrugs even
=> [YG]Wildthing yeah
=> [YG]Wildthing lol
=> [YG]Wildthing bots don't misspell
=> [YG]Wildthing man...
=> [YG]Wildthing c ya wildman

http://cb2.carnageblender.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00196O This is the thread I was referring too. I t has been up for few days. That should have been enough time for people to read it. I am not the only one enforcing this rule. I just happened to be in the room when you were talking about FS/WTB. A kick is just a warning, I don't know why you are so upset about it.

cuz a verbal warning might come first?

I haven't read the thread, and am not going to bother, this has already taken too much of my cb time messing w/ this thread.

Just next time be a little more civil, thas all I ask. I am rarely in chat nor do I get to chat, that's why I got hurt.

/me runs off to smite the infidels

Its great that people like helping newbies in New Players and keeping the scammers/overzealous sellers out.. but when it gets to the point where people take a game too serious, there's something wrong. Not everyone reads the forums other than changelog, mainly because they aren't interested in the excess.. they just want to have fun. Being /kick'd for asking once is a bit extreme. Try just telling someone its wrong first instead of /kick'ing, no matter what the set-in-stone 'rules' are.

As any vet can attest I became who I was in CB by selling lots of stuff.

I just asked Drudge if he had anything cool for sale, once.

Got mad because I got booted, I realize it wasn't that big of a deal but...

A /kick was in order, a /kick is never extreme, a /kick is a warning, you get that and you get told why or you ask and are told then that's all that needs to be done, it's a WARNING.

Wildthing did nothing wrong, there is also nothing wrong with the rule, new players is there to help newbs. We can't help newbs with the spam that was around before the rule.

oh and has anyone ever told you Chuck, using caps is impolite.

Let me change my default room then.

=oP

I feel for you Abit. The Chatnazis are worse than ever, give someone a little bit of power and they make sure that everyone knows they have it and can use it. This is precisely why I no longer use chat, I used to love the community, but it's just ridiculous now. Just turn off chat and you won't have to listen to the children anymore.

Bull and whining... this community is so good because of good chat ops and excellent admins that monitor and keep things going smoothly.

The Chat ops in New Players room have a tough job. You people that complain about how they do that job need to think a little harder. In the time of this transition chat ops in New Players are operating with little or no Admin support. Sorry Jon, but Sub-admins cant' 48 or check for multiing etc. It just doesn't cut it. Most admins that exist are also not monitoring the cbstuff ops forum either. No I don't want to be an admin again. It is hard work and frequently unappreciated.

And one nice thing about not being an admin anymore is that I don't have to be nice/diplomatic to people I don't really like. I can tell Tezmac and Abit now that I think they are both hippocritical lazy whiners. Try mentoring or actually helping just once... before you slam other people for helping and trying to keep the community healthy.

Tezmac - your answer is always anarchy, why is that? Those people you accuse of horrific crimes are not going to be really thrilled about responding to your need for help. Abit - I am shocked that you were in New Players and not aware of the policies that have been in place for nearly a year. The chat ops in New Players are NOT doing anything new or making anything up. And before anyone whines about me making policy - I saved the chat logs and pms and IMs with Jonathan wherein I asked permission and ideas for making policies to solve real problems in New Players.

How do you think it contributes to the community if you are one who wants things all their own way without consideration for other people and their contributions?

Tezmac, carnage is still fine, new players however at the moment needs this rule to help the new players (Abitjaded, better?), it'll as far as I know only be until we have enough people able to help newbs in there, I'd assume a week or so after mentors come back into the game.

My chatmail INBOX is completely empty, and so is PM and Public Record. So I don't really understand that 'little or no Admin support'. OK, I'm not very active in chat, but that doesn't mean I can't follow up on things other people saw in chat. I usually already have the chat logs for new players, all I need is someone to point me where exactly to look. But apparently either nothing goes wrong, or no one cares to ask an admin to look into it.

I already told you why an outside forum is not going to work (at least for me) for messages that should be constantly monitored. A mailinglist is a much better tool for that.

A little backwards for me, But leave the damn chat operators alone, I agree NP is getting crazy, when there is 90 people in there, take your business else ware, it gets too crazy.

If the chat is dead, I'm sure an op won't mind a single posting fs//wtb... just dont spam the damn thing over and over again.

I made the room 'Market' and 90% of you where too lazy to type 2 simple words...

Get the hell off their backs, stop whining, and causing more havoc...

A 15 second kick for an infraction (knowing or unknowing) is nothing.
Be glad he didn't kill you.

If you have the will power to type out what you have for sale, It shows you are highly capable of typing /join carnage...

This rant isn't aimed directly at you abit, this is to everyone that can't seem to get it...

Honestly, You know something is wrong when I'm on an ops side...

This is funny the same process repeats itself in CB2.

Let me make a nice standard response (my standard response)
Rules of Chat:
1) An Admin/Op is always right.
2) In case you think an admin/op is wrong, you are probably the one who is wrong.
3) In case admin/op is wrong well read rule 1 and think that an admin/op is devoting his/her free time to make CB and its chat a pleasant place to be.

Admins/ops are human and therefor can make mistakes still NP is sanctioned as a non sales room, they have invented this thing called FS/WTB forums.
Some Admins/Ops accept the sales but if they don't it is your mistake, not theirs.

Note: a kick is not a punishment, it is a warning so they don't have to punish you.

if people are blaming chat ops then might as well also blame me because i still treat new players as being new players.

Most people in there should now actually be new players, as opposed to CB1 veterans. I have nothing against people talking to other people in there even if they are veterans and not even if it is crowded.

The only thing i am against is the constant spamming / flooding / repeating of things like this

<some player> FS so and so weapon
<some player> WTB ToJ, paying with cb1/cb2 cash
<some player> who wants to borrow my tattoo for an hour


if these things are repeated even 1 time after the original question then it is already annoying for the people in new players that actually want to HELP the new newbs (instead of cb1 vet newbs as we all are a bit). so please have a heart and try to think of it when you want to sell your wares in new players. it never was a real problem in cb1 but now everyone wants to sell or buy things in new players because thats where the most people are...

if its too crowded then chat ops just get a bit defensive if they want it to be a bit more calm in there

for more questions feel free to contact me any time

Greets

Shade

LOL,

And one nice thing about not being an admin anymore is that I don't have to be nice/diplomatic to people I don't really like. I can tell Tezmac and Abit now that I think they are both hippocritical lazy whiners.
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ROFL I am lazy? Because I don't donate my little free time to helping make CB a better place?

and you are a quitter who couldn't handle what you started, I had sense enough to not want to be an op or chat admin.

I don't really understand why they have these rules. Is spam really that hard to deal with?

Say someone attempts to sell his/her given item, once every minute. I wouldn't consider that too bad - and if you really dont want to hear it, the /ignore command is there waiting for you to be used.

If you don't want us to talk about the game in the chat channels, then what do you suggest we talk about? I thought the origionally intention of the chat channel was free trade and communication - not forcing people to talk about non-carnage blender like things.

And don't even shovel the 'It's there to help new players' garbage - all you people ever say to help people on that channel is to goto Help and FAQs.

The game was better when you could freely advertise, but now the chat channels are just full of ego-inflated chat operations that think they're cool because they can use the /kick command. Psh, please.

To abitjaded and night:

CB is a game with rules including rules concerning the chat....
Spamming chat with sales /loaning request is not acceptable so you have to refrain from doing so.

If you dislike the rules:
1) turn to Jonathan with a request for changing rules concerning chat.
2) Start a room called Tattoo Loaning or Market place
3) use FS/WTB forums
4) none of the above but look out for a new game.

I would regret it if you used the last option but I think I will learn to live with it in the end.

remember Admins/Operators are always right.

=> [YG]Wildthing that simple, I have been warned once
=> [YG]Wildthing but if ure gonna be a nazi about it
It is a new rule we are trying to enforce
=> [YG]Wildthing I'll stay out of your rooms
read the forums
=> [YG]Wildthing and freaking give you grief everytime I see you

That's the problem I have with being a chatop. Someone gets kicked for breaking a rule, and immediately makes it their goal in life to make that Ops life hell.
Ignorance of a rule does not make you immune from it. The forums are there for anyone and everyone to read. If you choose not to do so, then you might suffer the consequences in chat, it's that simple.

could someone kill this thread it's getting way out of hand, obviously a sore subject for many.

Chem, I dun care at all if he was right and I was wrong. That was not the point, I knew I did something wrong, I was only complaining because I got my feeling hurt.

Di, whatever, glad your getting your life back from CB, but what did I ever do to you? lol, nm, keep that to yourself, I couldn't care less.

Thanks for all who argiued my side, but I tend to agree with both and hug the middle the chat ops have jobs to do, even tho they are voluntary, and w/o reward. Most of them do a great job, it's just kinda silly that a GAME, becomes so invloved that you have to read for 5-10 minutes every day b4 you play, just to make sure you don't get kicked, or piss someone off.

The rules of this game get much more complex and you will lose the occassional casual players to the lazy people who have nothing better to do than click all day long...

yea too many problems have arisen now I have noticed.
Way back when players could be happy with the game with only a handful of ops but now we need 1/4 of the community as them and we seem to have more trouble than before.
Also Undertow used non-PG the other day in front of an op and did not even get warned let alone kicked yet a new policy such as this and at first glance someone as Abit gets kicked.
Both have played the game long enough to know so should have had the same treatment.
I think if we are going to have so many ops they should be checked upon to make sure they are keeping to a trend of how ops should work so as any "dead weight" as such can be discarded and replaced.

the no FS/WTB rule of np is at least a month old and was carried over from cb1.
... this is why I give out 1 warning and 1 hint of things to come before going "chatnazi" :P