Official statement on chat activity (in General)

This goes for both public rooms (carnage and new players):

• If you are selling something that can be auctioned, don't advertise it in chat. That doesn't mean you HAVE to auction it; it just means don't waste my time telling me about it in chat.
• Looking for forge work or looking for a forger belongs in the Forging Services forum, not in chat.
• Other advertisements are OK as long as you follow normal guidelines: keep it on as few lines as possible, and don't repeat yourself when you don't get a response immediately. After the initial message, you should take bargaining to PM; I suggest starting with "PM me if ..."

Jon, my only question would be about rare ammo bundles. While there isn't much of a market for them at this time, the best way to sell ammo (quickly) has been to post them in chat and have players bid against each other for them. I don't know how others feel about this, but I've always found it rather entertaining, both on the selling and buying side.

Descent, the in chat auctions, especially on hot bundles of ammo cause just as much spam as that person advertising the bundle over and over.

I think the first line of Jonathan's post says it all:
If you are selling something that can be auctioned, don't advertise it in chat.

Timberwolf, I have not checked, but unless the limit on auction requirements has been dropped, small bundles of ammo cannot be sold in there. Therefore, they are not sellable in auctions.

That said, I do realize that ammo auctions suck up a lot of chat space, and would have no objection to them not being allowed. I'm just looking for clarification on the matter as this is the way it has always been done. Besides, there really isn't much of a market for it at this time, so its no big deal.

Spamming those bundles of ammo will still be kickable then. problem solved.

I was aware that rare ammo is auctionable when I wrote the above. :)

Duly noted, thanks for the clarification.

Though rare ammo below 5K NW is not auctionable those stacks could be sold in chat.

other side of it would be to save them up and merge the stacks...

Okay, for those truly pedantic minds out there: if the item type is auctionable, but your specific item is too low-value to qualify, it doesn't belong in chat either!

Jon,

Is there also any guidelines on about saying what's in the store? Players seem to do it all the time, and that gets annoying as well. Plus, most often than not, the said item is usually gone by the time you get there.

ok this may be a stupid question but what about selling cb$?

The store statements can be dealt with when they become spam.
The CBD$ for sale posts belong in FS/WTB froum.

As there is no sellable item in this game that cannot be put into auctions, this essentially means that chat commerce is dead. I guess we have definitive word on that now.

As Jon just said non-auctionable stuff can be said in chat, cb$ sales can be in chat.

As for chat commerce being dead, you can still sell junk, loan out tats for free, forge (no soliciting for forgers in NP, though), etc.

As above:

Looking for forge work or looking for a forger belongs in the Forging Services forum, not in chat.

So, from what i understand Jon, You can post "PM me if you would like to loan my Tattoo Blah Blah..." without constantly spamming it and it's ok. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

correct

I would like to add, and Jon may disagree, but I think popping into a room, advertising a tattoo trade with a request to reply in PM, and popping out, is spamming chat.

I agree.

If you are selling something that can be auctioned, don't advertise it in chat.

Does this apply to buying something in chat as well?

Gee, there should almost be another room called 'commerce' or 'market' or something now...

There is a room called market already - just not enough people join. I usually Idle in there so nobody gets op status and decides to kick the few people that do join.

Sometimes I wonder.

Is chat made to follow the rules or are the rules made to follow chat.
Most of you know the rules of CB1-chat as they played CB1, I think that you are safe when following the rules that applied there,
please don't make Jonathan remove chat.

OK i sincerely apologize for this, but I am getting mixed signals and I would like a clear answer instead of either stepping on toes or arguing with ops. According to bullet three my advertisement "Selling $CB (1 or 2) for neopoints -- pm me" should be just fine in chat, as long as I don't do it repeatedly. Neopoints are not something that can be auctioned, it's very short, and I ask to take bargaining to PM.

So, why are multiple ops telling me that the advert is not allowed and that I should "read Jon's posts in general and changelog"? Someone please clarify this for me?

Good question. Any of those ops want to point to specifics?

Well, i've joined "Market" and am the only one there, so i have ops there....


Why not officially sanction a trade/marketplace room, for the obvious purpose?


I'll be in market for a while... couple days, or so, hopefully someone stops by :)

Players can advertise NeoPoints and CB$ for sale in open channel without being kicked as long as it's not spammed and follow the guidelines above.

• If you are looking for something that can be auctioned, don't ask "Is anyone selling thus-and-so" in chat, either.

Would it be possible to have the bulleted points added to the FAQ's somewhere?