Possible Axbow problem (in General)

Hello all,

I was just testing my Axbow which is x18 +17 and on a successful hit only takes away 4% of my opponents dex.

I attacked someone who started with 30819 dex, my EC took away 1663 which left 29156. After only 1 hit with the axbow the final dex was 27843 which calculates out to be only 4%

Is this normal or a bug since the upgrade prices were changed a few days ago?

Thanks for your help.

What character did you fight?

Alucard, a character of Warchild's

Thanks for looking into this.

A Lesser Tattoo of Augmentation

Hmmmm...

yeah i was actually the one that attacked him
and then talked to him in pm to see what his axbows stats were
but the numbers are correct (with the exception that i was rounding when i was talking to him the % is closer to 4.5)

i am figuring that this is because of the ranged formula changes

his x 18 = about x4.5 on cb1
which which is exactly 4 times the cb1 amount

and for your hhmmm about the LToA....the numbers that I got included the effect of the tattoo
i suspect that it would work out the same with someone that had no such tattoo as well

30,819 is the DX I see on your character.
EC hits for 1,663.
Augmentation adds, what 10k at least?
39,156 DX, down to 27,843.... give or take some randomness, that looks about right to me.

where the X on ranged weapons is much easier to increase than in CB1, it makes sense. The biggest axbow is already x37. If he was getting 1% for each X, it'd be slightly unbalanced. Not sure how it works not, but maybe .25% per X, to put it in line with the old cb1 system or so. *shrug*

His LToA is 31.4k. That should give him 18840 to both str and dex. Now that changes everything.

His dex without the LTOA is 10316.

The axbow took away 1313 which is about 11%.

Now thats cool.

That is if the dex of the LTOA is not effected by the axbow. Well have to try it without the tattoo equipped.

or.. just fight someone without any Tog (TAug) on?

Ah sorry, my mistake forgot that Jon changed it so DX from ToAs is now shown :/

Yeah, I'm going with Warchild's sollution to it, as it is 50% reduction wouldn't be too hard to achieve if it was still 1% per x on the ex/axbow.

ok i tried to do a run w/o the tattoo on but he is hitting me multiple times now, making it much more difficult to gauge how much each hit is taking away (the original numbers were from one hit)

the only way to put any of our theories to the test is have someone that does not have a tattoo attack ranger's character and get hit exactly one time so we can exactly what % was taken away by the axbow

additionally the character would have no haste and would have a melee weapon to avoid any confusion about the bonuses/penalties from those aspects (although they could be dealt with pretty easily)

anyone that wants to try it out please feel free and post your original dx, the amount that the EC hit you for (ranger has trained it since my initial run and may do so again) and your final dx from the post battle stats

remember only one hit from the axbow

Plain DX is 32,873 but I've got a 2-handed weapon and heavy xbow, so active DX is 30,900. EC hit me for 1,887, which brings me down to 29,013. Only one hit on me in ranged (hit the first round, missed the third). Final DX of 27,707, a reduction of 1,306.

29,013 / 27,707 = 1.0471361. So, about a 4.7% reduction if you look at it that way.

1,306 / 29,013 = 4.50143% if you look at it the other way.

Not sure what i'ts supposed to be. 4.5 is 1/4 of 18 (the x on your bow), if that means anything.

Ok, so we have a general idea that each + takes off 1/4% from the dex.

Thanks all for your help.

I was thinking about this a little while I was out running. If you got your x up to 100 (which is feasible, I guess, with the new BS rates), you'd be taking off 25% of your opponent's DX with every hit.

So if you hit 4 times on a guy with, say, 128K dex it would be:
128,000 -> 96,000 -> 72,000 -> 54,000 -> 40,500.
That's a pretty good decrease. I might have to get me one of those.