holly=goju jim (in Public Record)


zerpillo February 8 2005 10:56 AM EST

to the attention of the admins:ive found a potential double account:
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Helm of Durin ($7413) February 7 2005 10:07 PM EST
Holly (Lamb Chop) 68.47.31.234 buy A Pair of Elven Gloves ($1467) February 7 2005 7:09 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Katana ($10938) February 7 2005 6:09 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy An Elven Long Bow ($10888) February 7 2005 2:01 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Buckler of Mandos ($5012) February 6 2005 11:20 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Helm of Durin ($9465) February 5 2005 7:48 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy An Elven Long Bow ($7395) February 5 2005 10:04 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Katana ($17507) February 5 2005 8:52 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Steel ($2206) February 5 2005 4:52 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Cloak of Balrog Flame ($11238) February 5 2005 3:05 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets ($2019) February 4 2005 10:01 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Shadow Cloak ($16417) February 4 2005 1:13 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Mithril Chain Mail ($35633) February 4 2005 12:17 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Helm of Durin ($7413) February 4 2005 11:57 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy An Elven Long Sword ($20947) February 4 2005 6:37 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Combat Gi ($41020) February 3 2005 12:49 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Cloak of Balrog Flame ($11238) February 3 2005 8:38 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Blade of Thuringwethil ($21019) February 2 2005 1:02 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Cornuthaum ($35000) February 1 2005 12:31 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Jigorokano ($2593) February 1 2005 11:35 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Buckler of Mandos ($6477) February 1 2005 7:55 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Helm of Durin ($7413) February 1 2005 7:29 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets ($2019) January 31 2005 5:31 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy An Executioner's Sword ($23436) January 31 2005 5:28 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Jigorokano ($9001) January 30 2005 11:52 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Pair of Elven Gloves ($1467) January 30 2005 8:00 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy An Executioner's Sword ($18491) January 30 2005 3:24 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy An Executioner's Sword ($10946) January 29 2005 7:00 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy An Enforcer's Crossbow ($21735) January 29 2005 6:50 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Katana ($20974) January 29 2005 3:40 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Endurance ($2206) January 29 2005 12:41 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Katana ($18231) January 28 2005 9:39 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Pair of Helm's Gauntlets ($2019) January 28 2005 10:28 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Pair of Tulkas' Gauntlets ($2267) January 27 2005 10:24 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Buckler of Mandos ($5012) January 27 2005 5:33 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Katana ($19631) January 26 2005 5:54 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Cornuthaum ($35000) January 26 2005 4:23 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Katana ($16172) January 26 2005 1:18 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Flame ($2206) January 26 2005 9:08 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Helm of Intelligence ($4800) January 25 2005 6:10 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy An Enforcer's Crossbow ($4341) January 25 2005 10:21 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy An Enforcer's Crossbow ($5090) January 24 2005 7:43 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy An Assassin's Crossbow ($6549) January 24 2005 7:22 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Mithril Cuirass ($45754) January 24 2005 4:45 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Mithril Chain Mail ($35633) January 24 2005 9:46 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Endurance ($2206) January 23 2005 6:10 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy An Assassin's Crossbow ($34382) January 23 2005 2:49 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Helm of Durin ($7413) January 23 2005 11:47 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Helm of Durin ($7413) January 22 2005 7:17 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Pair of Elven Gloves ($1467) January 21 2005 8:35 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Steel ($2206) January 21 2005 4:17 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Pair of Displacement Boots ($3920) January 21 2005 12:51 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy An Adamantite Cuirass ($64435) January 20 2005 10:59 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Mithril Chain Mail ($36411) January 20 2005 12:46 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Combat Gi ($41020) January 19 2005 7:07 PM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Augmentation ($2206) January 19 2005 4:23 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Mithril Cuirass ($47576) January 19 2005 10:12 AM EST
Goju Jim (Goju Jim) 68.47.31.234 buy A Cloak of the Istari ($12525) January 19 2005 9:26 AM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy An Elven Long Sword ($16926) January 19 2005 1:46 AM EST
Holly (Bunny Hopper) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Steel ($2206) January 16 2005 6:50 PM EST
Goju Jim (Stepping Razor) 68.47.31.234 buy A Trollskin Armor ($23418) January 14 2005 4:37 AM EST
Goju Jim (Listerine) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Steel ($2206) January 12 2005 1:15 PM EST
Goju Jim (Goju Jim) 68.47.31.234 buy A Tattoo of Ice ($2206)
Its obvious that this person logs out with one to get in with the other. i compliment on the results of his camping but i demand the deletion of one of his accounts . I dont think they are gf/bf--->they alternate with a clear pattern and its not the problem anyway :no one should be allowed to connect from the same ip to many different accounts .the fact they MAY be two persons is not important since its not provable anyway.Its obvious:when holly logs out goju logs in . Please do something about it.

Goju Jim February 8 2005 11:21 AM EST


Okay...

1. Please note the initial public record post stating that we are fiance's and live in the same house. People who share the same computer tend to take turns.

2. You also seemed to conveniently eliminate the times when one of us logs on from an entirely different domain(our college - 134.224.xxx.xxx) and the other logs on from our apartment(68.47.31.xxx) at the same time, as well as the times that she and I are on, at the same time, from college. Store purchase records leave out the login information that clear up our distinctness, since people don't always buy things every time they log on.

3. I invite the admins to review our chatmail logs between each other during those times we're not at the apartment, which I think would be very difficult for one person to do.

4. Patterns may appear because of routines in our daily schedules (she gets up early in the morning to get the kid off to school and then camps, I get on when she gets ready to go out, she gets back on when I'm getting ready, then we're both on at school sometimes. I don't camp at school, by the way, because the computers there suck. She manages to do it fine, but I don't have the patience for them.

We invite any investigation into our situation by the admins, and we've spoken to more than one about it previously.

Thanks,
Goju Jim and Holly.

Biscuitback February 8 2005 11:23 AM EST

well if it shows anything, it's that they r some good campers..... my god look at all that good stuff.

Todd February 8 2005 11:35 AM EST

Admins know what to look for.

If they are 2 people but have logged into each other's accounts, ever, that is being a multi. This is of course impossible to detect at their home, but a second IP is a good check. However, a savy multi will not log into their partner's account from a second IP.

It does make for good accusations though, but relax, it will be looked at by admins. Brian Rotu is good at digging stuff this out (is he still admin?).

Don't get all excited though, Goju seems too smart to be caught even if he was logging into Holly's account.(No way to ever tell that) And, selling their stuff for $USD as they do, it's impossible to detect that they are using their 2 accounts to further one of them only.

It does get the brain juices going though :)

WeaponX February 8 2005 11:45 AM EST

dose it not seem odd that from day 1 holly was a great camper. i mean she never learned nothing just bam

Goju Jim February 8 2005 11:54 AM EST

Actually, it took her a whole week to get her first rare from the store. I taught her how to camp, and frankly camping isn't that hard to get decent at over a couple weeks if that's something you want to do. Looking at her purchase history you can see a definite trend of starting slow and getting better. I've seen plenty of people come out of nowhere and start camping rares very effectively, especially in the last couple weeks.

WeaponX February 8 2005 12:06 PM EST

could it have been that it took her a week to get money to camp... personally i think that two people on the same ip should be illegal because it is impossible to trace. i'm not saying your multi's but you could be and thats no fair to the rest of us

CooperTX February 8 2005 12:07 PM EST

Could be all the other camper's are jealous?

xDanELx February 8 2005 12:10 PM EST

Considering their impressive resume (impressive might be an understatement), I would think others are jealous. :) I believe they are different persons. The reason being that they sell their stuff at different prices. lol...

Max February 8 2005 12:14 PM EST

From what I gathered with my research before this post even came out they are not multi accounts a far as a I could tell.

Winter's Heart February 8 2005 12:16 PM EST

well i know how everyone feels about not being able to camp the shops. But i know Goju Jim and Holly both I roomed with Goju Jim for a time while going to school and we used the same ip but that was on cb1. When i moved he moved in with his girlfriend Holly. I could go to his door and knock and make sure for you but I know they are two seperate people.

WeaponX February 8 2005 12:21 PM EST

what else would you say your his friend

Tezmac February 8 2005 12:34 PM EST

There have been plenty of mutually beneficial relationships on this game (read Todd/Spydah, Di/Saint) its just that this happens to be the first camping one I can think of. Chill out people, dont hate the player, hate the game.

Chargerz-Back February 8 2005 12:47 PM EST

dont forget sefton/wld

Severswoed February 8 2005 1:04 PM EST

Unbreakable, 12:06 PM EST
could it have been that it took her a week to get money to camp... personally i think that two people on the same ip should be illegal because it is impossible to trace. i'm not saying your multi's but you could be and thats no fair to the rest of us


In response to this:

Unbreakable are you scared. I work at a corporation where about 6 of my buddies have accounts. out of those 6 there are only three of us left playing. We were kind of accussed of multiing until we were all on Teamspeak chatting and talking with admins in person while all logged into CB$. We all play at home but we also get on druing the day to play some too. Long story short, think before you respond like that because I am sure that there are others behind corporate firewalls that would not be happy to have all that they have worked for stripped from them!

Severswoed February 8 2005 1:05 PM EST

Oh and one other thing, I think u guys are great campers and I enjoy competing with the two of you.

Holly February 8 2005 1:13 PM EST

I guess I'll say something and not let Goju Jim do all the talking. He was on at home alot so naturally I was curious about playing. He had gotten me into L5R (the card game) and if anyone wants further evidence of our seperateness they can go to the link for our group's website http://home.comcast.net/~mdamour1/about/index.html there are descriptions for each of us. Anyway, when I first started CB2 I was interested in building up my character. If you look at my graph that is pretty much all I did for acouple of weeks. I brought lesser tattoos and I even joined a clan. Then as G.J. started earning more USD for camping, I became more interested in trying it. We are engaged and I thought it would be a great way for me to earn as much money as I could for the wedding (actually I affectionately satrted calling it my Bling fund because I wanted to get the largest possible diamond wedding band (: LOL). It did take me a little time to get use to camping and I didn't do to well at first. Of course G.J. gave me tips so I wasn't as bad off as someone who was doing it cold. Granted we have gotten a lot of rares between us, but we are on ALL the time. We are both students who aren't really working so we can be. We also take turns with the computer (probally why you see a pattern). For example, I'm often on in the morning because he sleeps late and I can get on (and I'm getting my daughter up). All of that being said, we have been careful not to do anything out of line. We play seperately and NEVER on each others accounts. For anyone who has a problem otherwise, I ask that you say how you would like me to verify this and I would be more then happy to.

Thank you, Holly :)

Nixon Jibfest February 8 2005 1:20 PM EST

I agree with Unbreakable. I find it a little odd that Holly learned so fast. Despite what Goju Jim says, I don't see a trend of Holly starting slow then getting better. Looks like the first week, she fought and didn't camp at all. The second week, she was all of the sudden as good as Jim.

My opinion is biased cause I'm just tired of seeing a notice that someone grabbed something before I did and it turns out to be Jim/Holly.

At any rate, the admins will handle it just fine without us.

Mistress Reyna February 8 2005 1:48 PM EST

alright.. i dont think they are multi's i mean heck ive tried to negotiate deals so far with both of them and way diffent personality types. also dont assume that they scare us other campers... be love the challange.. if they wernt around it wouldnt be camping it would be shopping hehe

Nixon Jibfest February 8 2005 1:53 PM EST

Speak for yourself reyna. i'm scared of Jim/Holly. If they're online, i just save my BA for later.

Todd February 8 2005 1:54 PM EST

Oh, they are certainly 2 different people. There is a Jim, and there is a Holly.

And, there is no way to tell if they each log into each other's accounts at home. Unless the admins catch a time where Jim logged into Holly's account from his work/school, then there is no proof of wrong doing.

Having said that, it's only their honesty to stop them from logging into each other's accounts. Picture this: It's late, you know the store is going to refresh again soon, but your account is at zero BA. your fiance went to bed an hour ago, so they have a solid 50-60 BA to use at the store.. do YOU have the integrity to not log into their account?

Nothing to see here, move on :)

NSFY February 8 2005 2:25 PM EST

Yep - the root of all evil.

Campnig si teh sUk!@##!

TrueDevil [AAA] February 8 2005 3:24 PM EST

the root of all evil is actually real cash. If USD transaction is banned, do you think both of them and the other campers will waste their time and camp like crazy ? I don't think so.

Todd February 8 2005 3:26 PM EST

There is no way to ban $USD sales.

Well, there is one way: disallow all transfers.

Mistress Reyna February 8 2005 3:37 PM EST

yes i would, i like haggling and stuff, the making money is fun to me

deathwake February 8 2005 4:25 PM EST

<ramble>

Me and Dest were a good team on CB1, but now that the store refreshes on CB2 based on the fights during the previous day it is much more random.

Which means that all you do to camp well is just log on whenever and refresh the store as fast as you can because from what i can tell is that the store actually is random.

Although, maybe either Jim or Holly has noticed a time or a signal when it is more lucrative to camp than other times, which were quite easy to notice on CB1. All that me and Dest have noticed is to just get on and camp hoping that the store will pop something rare which neither myself nor him have the time to do or even feel like doing.

</ramble>

Blarg February 8 2005 7:47 PM EST

summary of zerpillo and unbreakable:

grr, these two stupid people keep camping all the good stuff. I'm so angry! hey! They have the same IP! They must be multis! Finally i can get them back for stealing all that stuff! Bwahahahaha

(more unbreakable than zerpillo)

stonecold February 8 2005 7:51 PM EST

amen to that I think even if there tellin truth his g/f is holly I think he just named his char holly so people wont get a smell of what there up to its obvious there the same only 1 ip per person playin should be allowed

Nightmare [NewNightmares] February 8 2005 7:56 PM EST

As much as I would love to eliminate some of the camper population (all the rares would be mine!! :-P) , you can't say there can only be one person per ip. I am at college most of the year, but when I go home, I don't want to not be able to play here because my dad does, and there'd be "ip issues". They don't really need to prove anymore than they have that they are different people.. if you still think they are a a multi, find better proof than ips.

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 8 2005 8:00 PM EST

They are not the same person. Admins and some vets look into it when the first post is made, there was no evidence of multi then. This post is made, we look into it again, no evidence of it now.
There's no need to keep annoying two people about this once the conclusion is already made, so unless anyone has some evidence of them being a multi, we stop with the "they camp too good, ban 'em!" posts?

And stonecold, some of the best people around here share their IP with someone, co-workers, families, room mates etc. If there is a multi it'll be banned, if there's two diferent people on the same IP, they wont be banned.

deathwake February 8 2005 8:07 PM EST

I have just been going through some old posts on CB1 because I'm so bored. This seems to be similar to this and I'm sure there will be more posts against campers in the future, it just seems to be the way things go.

Xiaz on Hiatus February 8 2005 8:21 PM EST

argh! campers! burn them! argh!

[CB1]Meoman February 8 2005 10:41 PM EST

I'd like to point out that yes, the admins (and mostly everyone) was aware of the behaviour long before this post and yes there was investigating going on, and yes we came to the conclussion they are not multis before hence why nothing was done about it.
But thanks for letting us know anyways :)

WeaponX February 8 2005 10:47 PM EST

blarg if you actually read my posts you would have read when i said i do not think they are multi's however i did find holly's sudden brilliance odd and thats pretty much all i said and as far as the other beneficial relationships on cb todd/spydah (mergers are illegal in cb2) and Di/Saint well if you were talking to me on this one i had a problem with it when that happend.

Fishead February 9 2005 2:54 AM EST

I'm jealous of both of them. It would be kind of fun if my wife played a little:)

Shark February 9 2005 6:50 AM EST

Paying character Holly $7/level to level my Lesser Tattoo of Steel for 1 day, starting tonight.

--Goju Jim, January 9 2005 10:15 PM EST

I guess its ok to let someone who shares your IP do your work for you. since your busy camping, right?

--Bearded Dragon, January 12 2005 12:38 AM EST

Saint and I work together all the time. Do you want to discuss this with me? or with him? The issue is very clear. Many people work for/with each other in the game. As long as they are clearly individuals and as long as both parties/accounts benefit, what business is it of yours whether they do or not?

When I was an admin, I tracked & queried such partnerships to make sure they really were partnerships and not multis - dozens of people can attest to this. Saint does the same when he has time. You don't like it then complain to Jonathan about how it is handled. Maybe he'll agree to eliminate all married/committed couples/brothers/sisters/schoolmates...

--[Working]MrsDi, January 12 2005 4:28 PM EST
you people are slow

Mandy [Journey] February 9 2005 11:55 AM EST

OK.... Just because someone shares IP's doesnt mean that they are a multi... It does mean its worth looking into. Zerpillo....a quote from you..."but i demand the deletion of one of his accounts"...please tell me what RIGHT you have to "demand deletion" of a character? Also, i dont know who will agree with me or not... but I think it would be better to give an admin this sorta information in a private setting before you attempt an uproar. I will admit I DID believed that jim/holly were multis but I dont really know...its not my job to know

amanda

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 9 2005 12:17 PM EST

Glow, it works well if it's just posted in forums too ;)

Despite the overly aggressive approach to this a couple of people have taken, it normally helps if there's a record of a suspected multi being looked into rather than admins wasting their time looking into the same thing as every other admin has already looked into.

CooperTX February 9 2005 12:27 PM EST

Perhaps the best thing would be that when a character is posted as being suspected of being a multi, the admin looking into it could, after investigating, post the resolution then close the thread. That way the topic is closed one way or another and we won't keep having accusations thrown at a person that is innocent, or in the other case, continue to beat a dead horse.

PoepX February 9 2005 12:31 PM EST

Jim & Holly owns!

Blarg February 9 2005 11:24 PM EST

"dose it not seem odd that from day 1 holly was a great camper. i mean she never learned nothing just bam"

I'm sorry, but this looks like a multi accusation, or maybe the frustration of them always getting the rares before you is talking.

"could it have been that it took her a week to get money to camp... personally i think that two people on the same ip should be illegal because it is impossible to trace. i'm not saying your multi's but you could be and thats no fair to the rest of us"

Although you say you don't think they are multis, you still want them banned so you would have a better chance of getting rares. Also, would you like it if you were banned because you brother started playing and he had the same IP of you? Wouldn't you want people to believe you when you said it was actually your brother?

"what else would you say your his friend"

In response to:


"well i know how everyone feels about not being able to camp the shops. But i know Goju Jim and Holly both I roomed with Goju Jim for a time while going to school and we used the same ip but that was on cb1. When i moved he moved in with his girlfriend Holly. I could go to his door and knock and make sure for you but I know they are two seperate people."

Your saying that made me think "Hmm, this guy really wants to get these people banned."

As I said, my post was a "summary", it was not literally taken from what you said. You did not actually say "Bwahahahaha" as you did in my post. You did not actually say "they are multis" as you did in my post. However, I came to that conclusion after reading what you *had* said.

Frost February 10 2005 9:57 AM EST

how would you know when one person is playing and the other is? with this kind of thing you could use all your BA with one char and then switch over to the next and use that BA then switch again its like constantly haveing BA im not saying its a multi but it does have its advantages for camping. How would you know that its jim playing holly? or vice versa just to use BA to camp? With this you could constantly check store for rares without worrying about BA shortage, Even if its not your char you still get the item to sell.....for USD or CB2 cash so it is unfair to all of us other people who dont share ip. In summary haveing 2 accounts on 1 ip whether it be brother, sister, wife or husband its still an unfair advantage with BA when they both seem to camp...

WeaponX February 10 2005 10:41 AM EST

blarg if my friend on cb came and said he or she knows me in RL and i therefore could not be a multi what would you expect my friend to say. "he did it ban him"? no i did not think so. frost seems to have gotten my point well. you could combine your ba and double the length of time you can camp. you nor i really know the truth yet you defend them as if you do. instead of taking shots at me and putting words in my mouth you should think about this: persons a and b camp. person a and b sell everything for usd. person a and b share a computer. person a buys rares or cb$ for usd. what tells us person b is not sharing or pooling there usd with person a thereby giving person a an unfair advantage. it is basically like person b giving person a cb$ for free.

CooperTX February 10 2005 10:47 AM EST

So then if people who are on two separate IP addresses camp all the time and pool their money that would be unfair too? In several other cases 'multi's' have been investigated and found innocent and it hasn't got this much attention. Why? Because the simple fact is that if they both didn't camp, this would be a non-issue right now as they have been investigated and found innocent. If they were multi's it would have been found out, if they are doing something else that is illicit it will be found out, if they are fugitives on the run from the fashion police it will be found out, well maybe not that last one, but the point is, let the people who have the tools and capability handle the situation.

WeaponX February 10 2005 10:52 AM EST

how would they be found out if you can not physically see them and if you pool money are you not a merger and thats illegal on cb2

Ascent February 10 2005 10:58 AM EST

Even if it's clearly established that they're two people.... and I'm fine with that.... what's not clearly established, and *cannot* be clearly established, is that they're not breaking any rules. Because they're playing off the same IP, no one but them really knows which one is online when person "x" is logged in.... and it's not just rares... it's USD that we're talking about here... people don't like to think that someone has an unfair advantage, or is getting a larger slice of the pie by taking advantage of loopholes.... I think that's the intrinsic problem here. There's no way to prove that they're *not* taking advantage of things they shouldn't be.

I don't know what the situation is... don't care to speculate... but I think some people are missing the point. Two people, yes. Should they be allowed to keep doing what they're doing? What if they have another couple move in with them, and they show them how to camp, and then you've got 4 people on one IP address... and they're on "all the time" as Holly said.... would everybody be alright with that? I'd have a problem with it....

Perhaps the solution is not to limit the number of rares that someone can get in a day's time or certain timeframe... but the number of rares per IP address for a given period of time. Based on value (since we seem to be calculating how much something sells for over base NW now on the stats page) or based on quantity...

CooperTX February 10 2005 11:00 AM EST

Pooling USD is illegal in CB? I would think that would be out of the realm of CB authority. You also better look into some of the 'banks' too then as they 'pool' money. I assume that you also had a problem with Di and Saint in CB1 as they most likely had a joint bank account and 'pooled' their money.

Goju Jim and Holly have no greater advantage than if they were both at different IP addresses. They don't transfer between characters without compensation, and as far as admins have been able to tell they don't 'share' their accounts. As has been stated several times, multi's always slip up.

WeaponX February 10 2005 11:08 AM EST

bad idea... i have no problem with them being good at what they do but the fact that there is no way to say without a doubt they are 100% legit does bother me. the answer is not limiting camping but i think you should make a cap of ba 1 ip can use this would cripple all multis right away and probably make admins job easier

a20sidedninja February 10 2005 11:20 AM EST

That would cripple everyone behind a firewall, too. I work for a large corporation, as does my friend and roommate, Memnot. I played CB1 for a long time, and when CB2 came out, I figured it would be a great time to introduce him to the game. But recently Memnot got a computer at our house. I will not play CB from there (despite the fact that he says it's okay) because I don't want either of us being accused of being a multi (we have a cable modem, so our IP is static). So I miss out on half a day's worth of BA just so people think we are being "fair". And you want to cripple us further? How is that fair?
What I find absolutely gut-busting though is that no one would have ever said anything about Goku-Jim or Holly if they weren't such great campers.

Greed is a terrible thing.

WeaponX February 10 2005 11:26 AM EST

are you at work 24 hours a day if not it would not hurt you or him

Mem February 10 2005 12:07 PM EST

No, but we mostly play at work.

a20sidedninja February 10 2005 12:28 PM EST

Also, Unbreakable, you missed the part where we live together. So I have no problem playing at work (because we work in different cities) but at home, it would be the same house, and most likely, one of us would be logging off so the other could log on. Then it would only be a matter of time before someone was screamin' multi at the top of their lungs. Or not, because neither of us camp, so most likely those people who are on a greed-motivated witch-hunt would never even take notice. But I figure it's better safe than sorry.

Reebok February 10 2005 5:25 PM EST

My solution: If you think they are playing unfairly, don't buy from them.

I don't invest my own real money into the game (besides my supportership) because I think it's kind of stupid to buy an imaginary longsword for real money, and also because of this.

I'm not saying either of them are multis, they could be, but personally I don't care, because as I said, it's stupid to invest money in a game like this where things could be taken advantage of.

If real money wasn't involved I don't think this would be nearly as big of an issue. So, don't go spending your next paycheck on an exec, and realize this is a game, not real life. Chill out it's a text based online game, jeez.

Flames Fame February 12 2005 9:23 PM EST

This is not a multi, they are married... come on ppl. They haven't been transferring any items to one another, or giving money to each other for nothing. therefore they are keeping their play as legal as everyone else, I think they also go to school together, because they use two different IP's, lol... Doesn't mean it is a multi... However i do believe that holly is using a macro, but i don't have enough information to say so... Just my opinion. just let them play... who cares. it's just a game, not real life, and i agree with the guy above me don't spend your next paycheck on buying imaginary items from a computer game... use it to put money down on a car, or something like gasoline for a car you already have...lol. Some good advice to others: Don't judge a book by its cover.

Thraklight Resonance [Desire Develops An Edge] February 13 2005 4:16 AM EST

So, am I the only person who checked and noticed that Unbreakable has camped rare items from multiple ips that are shared with many other carnageblender users? /me requests that Unbreakable whistles "If I only had a brain" three times before making a request, one user per ip, that will obviously shoot him/her/it in the rear if implemented. :-)

WeaponX February 13 2005 8:43 AM EST

before you speak look closer my ip changes every time i restart my computer smart guy, also tell me who shares my ip? what is wrong with you thrak

Hapster February 13 2005 8:53 AM EST

You all need to grow up. The fact of the matter is that you are innocent until proven guilty, and there is no evidence whatsoever to say they have acted wrongly. They said publicly from the start about their relationship. All they have done is both camp very well, and considering the people attacking them are probably the same people that either attack camping as unfair, or other campers who feel limitted by their superior competition, shows how absurd this is.

The whole point in not allowing muti's is so a single person can not reap the benefits of having twice the ba, but clearly they keep their profits separate, so they have no unfair advantage even if by some slim chance it is a single person.

Leave the multi catching to vets and admins not someone who has been playing under two weeks and just discovered the invention of a store purchase log.

MrC [DodgingTheEvilForgeFees] February 13 2005 8:54 AM EST

Ok, enough of the pointless arguing once the conclusion has already been made on this thread.

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