Rare Item Purchasing in Stores (in General)
February 19 2005 10:02 PM EST
I would like to know how it is fair for Goju Jim in the last 24 hours to have purchased a CoBF, an Exec Sword and an Elven Long Sword in the regular stores. I am all about letting people camp on the stores for chances to get rares, but it should at least be limited to one every 24 or 48 hours. I have noticed that Goju Jim just turns around and sells off most of the items for USD or occasionally HUGE CB2$, which eliminates the chances for a person playing for free to get any of those items.
I am sure people in general and campers are all going to flame me on this one, but I think there is enough inequality already i.e. HUGE TATS that with campers getting all the rares it just seems to unbalance things even further.
*steps down from soapbox*
February 19 2005 10:40 PM EST
faqs -> stores
February 20 2005 1:11 AM EST
My point is that some people have lives and cannot camp all day. Just as I said previously I am NOT against camping, it just should be regulated in some fashion. I mean you restrict how much ammunition a player can have, why not how many rare items buys can take place in a given period of time.
Also, if certain people camp all day long then you could argue they have a monopoly, which is unlawful in a capitalistic economy. So, therefore, I am beseeching the Government (Jonathan) to make a change in policy. Who is with me? Or do I stand alone on this?
id agree it sucks for us non campers. I would camp but i have school and cant play enough to risk not gettin an item. But at the same time i know they will never limit camping and its a feature of the game. Theres no point in fighting it lol
If someone spends more time at it than you do, they deserve to get more. Why change something against someone who's willing to spend hours visiting the store just because someone else either can't be bothered or can't make the time?
February 20 2005 1:32 AM EST
Seriously I would have to agree with Jonathan with this. If real life permits, I would certainly camp all day long too :P I live in a country where with a rate of USD exchange 1 to 3.8 . So if I get what Goju did in a day, it's like one week's salary for me :P But too bad I just don't have time for that. And I have to live with it.
Of course I would certain don't want someone to limit my income when ONE DAY I can have time to camp like Goju :P
February 20 2005 1:34 AM EST
The monopoly on the shop is making the game undesirable to play.
The few can spoil it for the many!
I doesnt matter what justification you can come up with, its plain and simple annoying.
Some restriction is needed.
Monopoly on the shop? Goju may get a ton of rares, but he holds no such thing. If you don't like it, camp instead of fight with your BA, and hopefully you'll be fast/lucky enough to catch something. The only restriction there is on the store is how much you can buy in a short period of time (10 or 30 minutes.. I forget) and thats how it should be.
February 20 2005 1:49 AM EST
I say the monopoly is held by those who are 'allowed' to pursue this method of gaining riches. After all, thats what the successful campers are doing. They dont add anything to the game play, they take it away to make their wallets fatter.
I thought this was a game? Why bring the real world economy into it?
February 20 2005 1:54 AM EST
I tried a little camping but i figured out i dont have the patience it takes.. and if someone does it, well hes gud and deserves the treat. But still something should be spared for the rest( a voice from the unlucky campers ).
February 20 2005 2:04 AM EST
Ax3, you have to make things clear :)
Real world economy is brought to this game, not because of campers. It's because of people who wants to get into dominance MUCH quicker by spending real life money into this game. And Jon allows it :P
Campers deserve the items because of the hardwork they invested. But if the items are being bought using USD, it's something we can't control unless Jon make a rule like PG against use of USD in the game
Oh and market value of items depends on the simple supply and demand theory so nothing much you can dispute on that.
February 20 2005 2:08 AM EST
Why is it that the campers are made out to be the bad people here? The people who are willing to pay the $USD and huge amounts of $CB2 are just as much to blame. If people weren't willing to pay so much for the rares, camping wouldn't be so lucrative and worth spending entire days doing and weeks perfecting. Putting a limit on how many rare items any one person can get isn't going to cause the prices to be any lower as long as there are people willing to pay what is being asked for them. Does it really make any difference if one person gets $100 dollars a week off rares or 10 different people get $10 a week?
February 20 2005 2:38 AM EST
shadow you want to resolve the problem to a question "one very happy person VS 10 happy people"? It may not matter to you but it matters to the 10 unhappy people.
Here's the beat-all answer to this problem. Ready?
This is not a democracy, its a Jonocracy.
If he thought there was some kind of problem, he'd fix it. Otherwise, it probably ain't gonna change. End of discussion.
February 20 2005 3:32 AM EST
Blimey its real hard to make it clear ;)
There are 3 ways to buy items in this game
1) Buy from other traders/auctions
2) Black Market
3) Spawning in the shop.
"New" items come in through the Black Market and the Shop. The black market is not very quick so the majority of new rares appear in the shop.
1 & 2 are accessible, but for the desirable rare items are very expensive.
Items spawning in the shop add a lot to the game in terms of number of rares, but for most of us, this is not a benefit but a detriment to the game as we stand little chance of getting lucky.
When the items are 'camped', those with 'real' money can purchase them and gain an unfair advantage. This will never stop as such, but allowing the store to be camped out so that regular Joe doesn't have a hope of getting rares from the shop is a bit off. Especially as they are usually put up for US$ or more CB$ than is affordable.
The shop and spawning is a great idea, its a shame its not managed in a way that doesn't detract from the games play ability.
Lets be clear on this, the way the shop is managed is unfair.
Ever heard of buying USD from someone else?
I've done it plenty of times myself, just post a thread "WTB: USD" ask them to send the money to the other guy's paypal account and there's no unfair advantage.
Also, the only way to get items is not from the store, maybe most of the items are coming from there right now but give it a month or two and we'll have the majority of them being sold by other players rather than the store.
Although I think Nightmare got it right already "its a Jonocracy" and Jon's already said no. And it's not the first time he's said so either, in fact, he's even got it in the FAQs that this wont change. Is there any point asking for it to change?
February 20 2005 3:50 AM EST
you can complain about them camping but think of it this way...so there spending their BA in the store not on fighting meaning sure they've got money but their pr is gonna be lower than the people who don't camp and if you want something they bought well fight or forge and save up till you have enough
February 20 2005 4:00 AM EST
You dont even need to fight in this game to make real money.
As people in third world countries have already attested, they can make more money camping the shop here than they can in real life!
There are many more campers than this, I'm not trying to pinpoint but raise an example.
All elements of the shop should be part of the game, not a way to earn a wage without playing it and at the same time being a detriment to those that do want to play the game.
Now wouldn't it be nice if I could spend some BA on the shop and actually even SEE a rare. The most I have ever seen is Seeker Arrows.
Thats the problem!
February 20 2005 4:05 AM EST
yea you havent seen many RARES for a reason they are RARE!!!!!
i've seen this thread a million times in cb1..... It's really not a problem, the only reason people see it as a problem is because of the 'quick fix' mentality of the game. Ever heard of saving money? Think of it this way, saving up and buying those rare items is a goal, and then you have more of a purpose in playing this game when you have a goal that doesn't take 3 minutes to achieve. If jon just handed everybody their items on a silver platter like so many people seem to want, then everybdoy would get quite bored of this game, since all that would be left to do is upgrade the stuff you have, since you didn't have to put for any effort in to achieving it. Really, think about it for a sec. How much fun would that be? It's like playing an rpg where you can beat every boss in one hit, without ever having to level up more than you would just going through the regular cycle of the game (sticking strictly to the plot, no extras).
February 20 2005 4:10 AM EST
Before the page has even loaded the rares are gone as they are camped so quickly.
It would be nice to actually see one, even if I was beaten to getting it, but they are taken away so fast, I never see them.
I've been playing for nearly a month and am recounting the same story told by many people:
The shop is camped out and is bad for the game to be kept this way.
February 20 2005 4:12 AM EST
Mr Tequito, I haven't once asked for a handout, just a fair crack at using part of the game that should be for everyone.
February 20 2005 4:15 AM EST
axe quit whining, i started playing in cb1 about 6 months ago guess how many rares ive ever seen in the cb1 or cb2 store...none but i still managed to get some good gear for my characters by fighting and forging and saving up till i had enough for the gear i wanted
February 20 2005 4:16 AM EST
oh and tequito you hit the nail on the head...
February 20 2005 4:18 AM EST
Dragon Slayer, my gripe is not with you, I would appreciate not making this personal.
Axe, I don't camp. I'm a clan fighter. Two days ago I popping into the weapon store to buy arrows, and I was lucky enough to grab an ELS.
I spend my time fighting to earn XP and work out how the game works by playing it. Others spend thier time camping for rares.
With my highest character it was taking a little over a week, maybe 10 days for me to make a Mil (If I didn't buy additional BA). By fighting I have the bonus of making my character larger, learning more about strategy and saving up enough cash to buy the items I want.
What do you want from CB? Long term or short term gain?
ty dragon slayer.
The best solution I can come up with for this, though I don't feel one is needed, is to make more than one weapons and armor store. Just like the current ones, just... more of them. Maybe make a time limit of like 2 minutes or something from which you can look from one store to the other. That would give more people more of a crack at the rares, cause then you would have to guess which store is gonna spawn next.
February 20 2005 4:40 AM EST
I want to be able to enjoy the game and make ground in it fairly.
That would be nice.
Promoting the game as a way to earn revenue in real life without actually playing it does not improve the game.
February 20 2005 4:43 AM EST
I didn't mean Jon promotes the game as a revenue source, but it is becoming known that way.
February 20 2005 5:46 AM EST
It will always be fair, because no one is preventing anyone from doing the same and start camping the stores.
It's all about choices, the effort needed and rewards gained.
Damn I'm getting some heavy deja vue here... ;)
Due to the mechanics of this game and the economic conditions we live in there has arisen a meta-game called camping and a market in camped rares in usd and sometimes cb$.
At the moment goju/holly are dominant but I think some of the other "pros" do ok as well. I believe that camping well is the best way to accumulate NW at present. It is also the harder game to play, its boring, the competition is stiff and you need to keep at it for hours at a time multiple times a week.
Gentlemanloser 1 mil in a week or 10 days is pretty small fry compared to goju's average income. He has sold for quite a large amount of dollars and had he kept that in game he would be way ahead of you. Holly has a bought char only 20k pr behind you and has taken usd for millions of CB$ worth of rares. They are elites way above you and could reflect that in game terms if they didn't take cash for game items, giving rise to another strata of elites who are willing to spend real money on the game. If you fight lots and well you can probably compete with many of these.
If you do buy don't do what I did and impulsively buy what was the biggest morg in the game for some usd and a lot of CB$ only to discover that my char wasn't really good enough to get the most out of it anyway.
I understand that many of the vets are going to be bored of this discussion but I think you will just have to accept its perennial appearance on the boards as it seems to be a constant concern to new players, just as we have to accept the camping, or get in there and give them some competition, or quit.
If you want to play just try to forget about the campers save up your money, use the black market and hope mr chuckles is right in the longer term. Also you can rent out rare items quite affordably if you just want to try them out.
Some people do get lucky so just cross your fingers and offer up a little prayer everytime you enter the stores.(And make sure your mouse hand is ready for fast clicking)
Myself I'm thinking of joining the campers, but if i get rares I will be keeping them or looking for other rares to trade for them. I tried a bit but only got ammo etc it sure is hard work for little reward if you cant snag the good items.
I've bought from Goju. I've bought items for CB2 and USD. If I wanted, I could buy a bigger character than I already have. If I wanted, I could sell my highest character.
But buying a big character doesn't mean you know how to play it. I've changed my strategy numerous times since the start of CB2. I've even just decided to start a new character, as I want to tread down a different path.
Campers make more money than me. That's no big deal. I'm in this game for long term devolpment. Not a short term cash influx. You can sit and plan out strategy all you want, but until you get involved with fighting, at different levels, you just can't be sure of how it will work out.
I really don't see what the problem is, I've used items from my existing characters to boost my new one. No different than camping and using that nice new rare, or selling it for another rare I want my character to use.
And if I'm patient I can fight for a little while to afford any item I want.
Also what does this comment, the main complaint actually mean?
"which eliminates the chances for a person playing for free to get any of those items"
Playing for free? Non supporter? Supportership doesn't help buying from the store. Or someone that doesn't spend USD on CB? Just fight for a little while to afford the item. Or put time into leveling a tattoo to sell, or, or, or...
What does Glory really want? To enter the store to find a $1 (CB2) full suit of rares ready to purchase?
Hey, if you don't have some cash on your character, it doesn't matter how many times you visit the stores, you won't be able to afford those rares even if you catch them.
Oh and even if a camper does buy the biggest charater in the game, that character won't progress unless the camper gives up camping... So what is the problem?
(Sorry for the multiple post, found another point I want to make...)
Why camping loads of rares is bad...
"My point is that some people have lives and cannot camp all day."
Why people have bigger PR characters than me...
"My point is that some people have lives and cannot fight all day."
People that put more time into anything on CB are going to be better than those that don't. This is regulated by BA amounts and refresh rates.
If you want to restrict how many rare items someone can buy in a day, why not restrict how much xp everone can earn in a day.
February 20 2005 12:09 PM EST
GL, I got a feeling of deja vu on reading this too.
I camped for a while in CB1, got some rares which helped me pay for some decent weapons and armour. But it didn't make me a better player. You don't need rares to play well - if you are running an archer character having an Elven Long Bow won't make it a better character. I got to 200k pr in CB1 with basic weapons that any one can buy in the store. Some of the highest ranking characters in the game don't really need any accessories, nevermind rares.
My attitude to camping has always been the same, if someone has the patience to do nothing but camp then let them have the rares. If that's their game then leave them to it. If they want to sell for USD then that's their business too.
February 20 2005 12:22 PM EST
There are other ways of buying rares - in auction or from the Black Market. Fight loads and save up your cash - or buy Cb$ with USD and you can have rares of your own.
February 20 2005 1:57 PM EST
One more thing to add to this dead horse. I've got no problem with people camping, buying all the rares, selling the rares. I do however have a problem with people selling lower level items for excessive amounts - compound bows for instance for more money than tattoos sell for. And buying cb dollars/items for usd. There's no need for it!
February 20 2005 1:59 PM EST
Can someone, anyone, PLEASE close this dead horse.
February 20 2005 1:59 PM EST
Sorry - I've a hangover today - before anyone else says it - I appear to have no problem with people selling for USD but a problem with people buying for USD - blame the booze....... =)
February 20 2005 2:07 PM EST
I agree it's not fair
. No one should be allowed to camp all the time and get the rare items. Better still I don't think it's fair that Steve fights all the time, I mean, look at his PR 243,128 that's just not fair.
February 20 2005 2:34 PM EST
I refuse to buy anything with real money, as I find it pointless to waste money on a game. Do I find it absurd that campers can actually make a living in RL selling rares? Yes.
I don't blame the campers, I blame the people who drop 5 or 10 bucks (although I've seen a lot more) for a rare item. Those are the people who are ruining the market.
I manage to make some side $CB2 by stopping in the stores occasionally, although I've never gotten something so rare as an ELS or a comparable item. I attribute this just to bad luck though, not the fact that people are camping, as they are not doing anything you or I couldn't do.
I do somewhat see a problem if someone only existed in this game to accumulate money in RL, but as I said until people stop making it worthwhile to do, it will continue.
Ranger this may well be a dead horse as far as you or maybe the chances of jon changing anything goes(I know it is covered in the faq). You are rich, want to fight and do well, the campers provide a service which is of use to you.That is fine by me and I would also be happy to buy certain items from a camper if finances allowed.
However the camping game is quite an interesting facet of the game as a whole and I'm sure it will continue to be of interest to all sorts of players as long as it goes on.
Some players are always going to see it as an unfair aspect and wish to make their feelings known. Of course many games have certain aspects to gameplay which some groups of players dislike and this one is no different, there will always be malcontents there will always be flaws in games, which is which is in the eye of the beholder.
February 20 2005 2:52 PM EST
Rubberduck, I think you have things way off there.
How is camping unequal to all who try? Where is the unfair aspect you talk of? Does Jon give Jim and Holly advance info on when items will spring up? Did Jim and Holly not get the COBF in the store today? Jim and Holly have a great strat on how to camp. Sort of like a great strat in fighing. I fail to see how anyone can complain about how they have an unfair edge. Im sure they spend plenty of time/effort camping and they do it well.
The fact of whether or not I am rich is not at all pertinent. I was stating, in my post above, that this issue has been talked/discussed over and over again and it pointless to continue this threat which now is over 40 posts long.
CB2 is a great study in the free market society and how things work. If people want to spend money on this game, thats well in the rules.
Ranger i think you confuse me with my reference to some players.
February 20 2005 2:57 PM EST
well if people have lives and cant camp all day then DONT CAMP other people may have lives AND camp all day and some may not have lives and camp all day...so u wanna spend allot of time on CB camping go right ahead if not dont camp and dont complain
February 20 2005 3:31 PM EST
(Completely stupid rhetorical question):
There was a CoBF in the store today?
February 20 2005 3:46 PM EST
Quiting)Unbreakable (vampiric) 220.127.116.11 buy A Cloak of Balrog Flame ($11238) 11:03 AM EST
February 21 2005 7:46 PM EST
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