Bored? Scientific study participants needed. Count your bot checks (in General)
Todd
March 8 2005 6:23 AM EST
I remember in CB1 (at one time, anyways), the frequency of bot checks was 1 in 30 fights, meaning that the odds of a bot check appearing on each fight was 1 in 30. That may have been changed.
But, I am noticing that they appear much more frequent here. So, being curious, I decided to ask the community for help.
It's pretty simple.
Count your fights (easy), and count your bot checks during those fights. Then post. Please try to make it at least 50 fights, more if possible. Do it a few times, and then post. I'll summarize at the end.
My data so far:
56 fights: 5 challenges
107 fights: 7 challenges
Post away :)
Mountain Man
March 8 2005 6:36 AM EST
hey Todd! Just burned 100 ba for science. 4 bot checks. will have more data when ba refreshes.
Biscuitback
March 8 2005 6:41 AM EST
if i would have saw this sooner i would have counted, but i think it's random though. there's been a couple of times where i swear i had more than ten in a set of ba refreshes. i even had a couple within 10 fights.
wait you said fights.. sorry :P
Sedecim
March 8 2005 7:00 AM EST
143 fights just brought me only 4 botchecks.
just a side note it seems more likely to give me a bot check if I try to fight a comatose and I'm not so sure on this one but if I'm going to lose. No hard data on this tho, I'm going back to bed now :)
QBJohnnywas
March 8 2005 7:12 AM EST
7 in 40 fights - however that involved a lot more clicking than fighting, while someone was comatose - may have actually been around 60-70 clicks. So, almost 1 in 10 clicks leading to a botcheck.
Sedecim
March 8 2005 7:35 AM EST
100 fights / only 1 comatose click / 3 botchecks
Todd
March 8 2005 10:20 AM EST
Data so far points to the following:
1 Bot challenge for every 19 fights
Please continue to submit data, I will update the thread as necessary.
Yohan
March 8 2005 10:42 AM EST
100 fights
5 bot checks
fights 2,45,77,82, and 99
hey you asked if I was bored :)
AdminG Beee
March 8 2005 10:47 AM EST
3 bots from 50 BA spent.
I had 8 comatose non-events during this, so technically 3 bots from 58.
sasquatchan
March 8 2005 11:28 AM EST
34 BA, ~8 comatose, 3 bot checks.
(bad habit of just running down list, hitting comatose in case they heal up.. hehe)
dnnx
March 8 2005 12:04 PM EST
didn't count, saw post too late,
but soemtimes I get bot checks every 2-5 fights...
Todd
March 8 2005 12:07 PM EST
thanks dnnx, but that's exactly what I am trying to avoid. I'm sure some people have gone 30-40 without a check too, but that is not the norm. I'll keep doing this as long as people post here (well, within reason). So, when you get some decent amount of Ba, count, and post.
Tezmac
March 8 2005 12:14 PM EST
74 fights+4 comatose, 5 bot checks
sasquatchan
March 8 2005 12:26 PM EST
Curious, Todd, what stats are you using for analysis ? Just going to take an average over all (total fights/bot checks == avg fights per check), and look to narrow std ? Or treat each one as an individual sample for fights/bot check, and graph those, etc ..
(Yeah, my stats knowledge is rather old, so I can't remember if you'd get the same answer doing it en total, or individually, sue me ;)
Relic
March 8 2005 12:28 PM EST
I think it has to do with how quickly you use your BA. When I fight slowly I rarely if ever get bot checks, however, when I fight quicly scrolling through my favorite list extremely fast, I get tons of bot checks. Don't know if that helps or not, but that is my two cents.
sasquatchan
March 8 2005 2:32 PM EST
Larger sample set:
109 BA
6 bot checks
16 unconscious attacks.
Todd
March 8 2005 2:33 PM EST
I am simply taking all of the fights reported and all of the challenges reported, each as a sum. Then I divide one into the other :)
MoeDrippins
March 8 2005 2:51 PM EST
98 fights. 3 bot checks.
This feels abnormally low to me, but I've learned not to trust my instincts on such numerical matters. I trust the numbers.
AdminShade
March 8 2005 2:55 PM EST
this morning:
160 fights 6 bot checks
another 160 with 5
another 160 with 6
just now some 80 ba and 3 bot checks.
Shadowcat
March 8 2005 3:30 PM EST
160 fights: 7
160 fights: 2
Todd
March 8 2005 4:09 PM EST
Total number of fights/attempts reported: 1,867
Total number of challenges reported: 81
Average rate: 1 challenge for every 23 fights.
And wow.. only 2 bot checks in 160.. how rare is that?
Mythology
March 8 2005 4:33 PM EST
Cant speak for certain but it appears Jon wrote into the bot check code that the more often you fight a person the more often the chance of a bot check (as if you were a robot).
Therefore, you will often get a bot check when repeatedly trying to fight the same comatosed person.
I may be completely wrong but if this is the case then your data will reveal people's fight styles (small fight list of 10 or so people) rather than the frequency of bot checks on CB2...
Todd
March 8 2005 4:36 PM EST
Interesting theory Myth.
I suspect though, that Jon kept it simple and there is a simple x% of a challenge each and every fight attempt.
Blarg
March 8 2005 5:34 PM EST
196 fights, 3 comatose fights, 6 bot checks.
169 actual fights, 16 comatose clicks, 5 bot checks.
This is the first time that I can recall getting less than 10 per 160, + comatose up to 20, since cb2 went live, though. I charted my fights, comatose clicks, and bot checks for a few days back in Feb. and it came out to a bot check per 15 to 16 attempted fights for me.
Bolfen
March 8 2005 6:33 PM EST
160 fights
9 botchecks
No botchecks for unconscious fights.
One trend I've observed was a higher chance of botcheck after a loss (or at least trying to fight quickly after a loss).
In that same group of 160:
1 loss
1 botcheck after loss
AdminG Beee
March 8 2005 6:38 PM EST
3 bots from 108 fights including comatose.
Bolfen
March 8 2005 11:43 PM EST
160 BA
12 botchecks of which 2 were comatose botchecks
chiuna
March 9 2005 1:34 AM EST
160 fights, 7 bot checks
(fights: 26, 61, 89, 97, 131, 140, 148)
DrD
March 9 2005 2:47 AM EST
140 fights - 6 bot checks
100 fights - 4 bot checks
Sedecim
March 9 2005 3:20 AM EST
147 fights / 10 botchecks (plus one extra because I failed one ;)
Gothar
March 9 2005 6:28 AM EST
160 fights 7 bot checks
Gothar
March 9 2005 9:55 AM EST
115 fights 3 bot checks - wish it was always more like that
Sedecim
March 9 2005 10:45 AM EST
87 fights / 3 botchecks
Todd
March 9 2005 10:58 AM EST
Excellent. Thanks eveyone for your data. We now have data from 3,748 fight requests.
Final tally:
1 bot check per 22.8 fights.
dnnx
March 9 2005 2:29 PM EST
I think Jon is messing with us :). Yesterday, I can see how your result is valid, I received a similar bot/fight ratio, which I felt was weird. Today, in 110 fights I received 8 bot checks, 3 were bunched in a 15 fight period and 4 were bunched in a 20 fight period, the 8th one was 20 some fights away from the previous one.
Your "final" result gets posted and we go back to "normal":)
I think Todd is forgetting that as your BA rate goes down, your bot check rate goes up. This has never been a secret...
Todd
March 9 2005 4:09 PM EST
Wow, I never knew that (or, I forgot I knew it). So much for this exercise.
Sedecim
March 10 2005 5:47 AM EST
You could still get some statistics, but people will also need to report their BA-rate. Something like...
BA-rate 7/10, fights 76, botchecks 6
Todd
March 10 2005 6:12 AM EST
I suddenly lost all interest. :)
Sedecim
March 10 2005 7:43 AM EST
Then I'll do it... :)
BA-rate 7/10 |
BA-rate 8/10 |
BA-rate 9/10 |
BA-rate 10/10 |
Average |
24,5 |
1 |
Average |
#DIV/0! |
1 |
Average |
#DIV/0! |
1 |
Average |
#DIV/0! |
1 |
Total |
319 |
13 |
Total |
0 |
0 |
Total |
0 |
0 |
Total |
0 |
0 |
Party |
Fights |
Botchecks |
Party |
Fights |
Botchecks |
Party |
Fights |
Botchecks |
Party |
Fights |
Botchecks |
Master Xi |
76 |
6 |
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Master Xi |
143 |
4 |
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Master Xi |
100 |
3 |
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Please feel free to submit your party name / your BA-rate / your number of fights / your number of botchecks.
Sedecim
March 10 2005 7:56 AM EST
Something like this...
Master Xi, 7/10 ba-rate, 85 fights, 3 botchecks
RedWolf
March 11 2005 2:01 PM EST
90 fights 6 botchecks
RedWolf
March 11 2005 2:02 PM EST
sorry...
The Ediracs/9 ba-rate/90 fights/6 botchecks
;-)
Sedecim
March 11 2005 7:22 PM EST
BA-rate 7/10 |
BA-rate 8/10 |
BA-rate 9/10 |
BA-rate 10/10 |
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Average |
23,7 |
1 |
Average |
#DIV/0! |
1 |
Average |
15,0 |
1 |
Average |
#DIV/0! |
1 |
Total |
781 |
33 |
Total |
0 |
0 |
Total |
90 |
6 |
Total |
0 |
0 |
Party |
Fights |
Botchecks |
Party |
Fights |
Botchecks |
Party |
Fights |
Botchecks |
Party |
Fights |
Botchecks |
Master Xi |
76 |
6 |
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Ediracs |
90 |
6 |
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Master Xi |
143 |
4 |
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Master Xi |
100 |
3 |
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Master Xi |
167 |
6 |
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Master Xi |
85 |
3 |
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Master Xi |
143 |
7 |
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Master Xi |
67 |
4 |
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Keep em coming...
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