Strat help (in General)

Undertow April 18 2005 3:26 PM EDT

Okay, trying to run an EEEE strat.

No, not that accursed EEEE fake tank strat. that's crap.

I'm basing it around my ToF, second biggest in the game, throws a whopper of a FB.

So, I've always been a fan of the EEET strat. And now, with magic winning over physical, and Tats able to be huge spell casters, I've got a 4th (!!!!!) enchanter I can throw into the mix. That makes me happy.

I just can't find a way to make it work. If you want to say "it just won't work" that's fine. I'll believe you. If you've got an idea, spit it out. I'm having a lot of problem fighting at my pr, I WANT to fight ABOVE my pr.

I've tried GA,AMF,Prot,AS. AS,AS,AS,AS. AS, AS/AMF, AMF, GA/tiny DM. and some others. All the time, the tat is in the back obviously.

Any other suggestions?

btw, my NW is horrible. too much time spent buying ba. I'm done, gonna slow down and regroup. Damn rankings.

[Banned]Monty April 18 2005 3:27 PM EDT

it sucks. change ..>

QBRanger April 18 2005 3:29 PM EDT

Your basing your entire strat on a Tattoo that can be easily neutralized by a decent sized AMF or that can be killed by seeker arrows.

Not a viable strat IMO.

Admin{CB1}Slayer333 [SHIELD] April 18 2005 3:31 PM EDT





and maybe a little evasion on each of them :P

AdminJonathan April 18 2005 3:31 PM EDT

once your tattoo no longer makes up the bulk of your PR your damage output will suck

Undertow April 18 2005 3:34 PM EDT

Slayer, my only problem with that, is that AS,AMF,EC,GA/Prot would work so much better. Remember, DM is a blanket effect, you dont' want to split enchantments if you can avoid it.

QBJohnnywas April 18 2005 3:39 PM EDT

If you're determined to stick with it the way it is why not change your tattoo to CoC? With fb if your enchanters are still alive in melee you start hurting them. And then you're leaving your familiar unprotected. I'd maybe get rid of the protection, invest in some armour and change that enchanter to mage with magic missile. Fireball is starting to look dead in the water at higher levels when you're up against CoBF's and mage shields - large investment in the two of those makes the wearer pretty much invulnverable to fireball.

Chocolate Thunder April 18 2005 4:08 PM EDT

Untrain Protection or at least reduce it, and make that minion into a tank or a MM mage.maybe a little AS on the AMF minion wouldn't hurt either.

Manta April 19 2005 3:18 AM EDT

You can try this:
And your ToF.
The idea is that you try to kill the enemy quickly (possibly, in ranged).
A large DM or a single mage with ToE will kill you. But I think that those strategies will kill you no matter what setting you use, if you have a 4 minions chars.
On the other hand, multi-minion teams will be your prey.
An advantage is that you have to change only 1-2 minions, and you do not need NW.
Also, you should consider if a base decay on your 3rd enchanter could be useful or not.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 19 2005 10:00 AM EDT

If you plan on going the FB + DM route to kill people as quickly as possible, why the 4 minions? Try 1 DM minion + the ToF. Or DM/AS for AMF backlash soaking.

If you wanted to keep the four minions why not change to a ToI? With DM being your weak point, it's not worth stacking enchantments, so go for something like;

1) AS
2) AMF
3) GA
4) I donno, EC maybe?

With a little Prot on one of the EO minions. Use the meat shields to keep your ToI alive and blast away in melee with it.

Or If you can get a MgS + CBF turn one of the enchanters into a Wall. Keep a base prot on him so you can still call it EEEE. ;)

Myonax April 19 2005 10:39 AM EDT

I have the largest ToF and am becoming dis-enchanted with it.

My strategy is similar to yours, I just concentrated the exp more. The problem I am finding is if I don't kill the team in ranged I am dead due to 40k + FB backfires (not to mention seekers, huge amfs and CoBFs)...

At lower PRs this worked great, but I am now finding my fight list is dwindling down to a few team and my score has steadily been decreasing. Pretty soon My fightlist will be entirely filled with teams with scores below my PR.

I have been contemplating a strategy change myself. Just haven't decided which way to go. CoC would continue with current ideas without the MANY pitfalls of Fireball, but I am worried my team won't have the ability to survive ranged rounds to use CoC effectively. So I am left with just a few options, maybe a tattoo of endurance and pumping my Magic missle.. I am not really sure. I do know there is nothing I can do to make my currents strategy effective.

onlyyouknow April 19 2005 11:06 AM EDT


AS for 2 minions may not be cost effective. Your ToF is very vulnerable to seekers. Just my 2 cents, dunno how to help also. :p

onlyyouknow April 19 2005 11:07 AM EDT

Ops...Forgotten about your tattoo, so it is 3 minions. AS is fine.

Undertow April 19 2005 11:09 AM EDT

Any mage team is gonna be very vulnerable to seekers. not worried about that.

In the last 24 hours, I've changed strats like 8 times. Complete retrains. Some interesting things that ALSO don't work:

...... I think that's it, so many I can't remember them all.

Right now it's AS,AS,DM,DM. The goal: An as bigger than their DM, and a DM to trounse anything. That's it.

I've been trying some super unbalanced strats, and will continue to do so I think, that's not gonna be my main anymore.

Manta April 19 2005 12:17 PM EDT

GL, I think that a CoBF is so much overpowered, that almost any strategy (short of a single enchanter) would work well with it.
It is also very expensive, and, from what he said, I do not think Undrtow can afford it.

I am curious to know how well the DM/AS plus ToF teams works: I hope Undrtow will keep us informed.

Undertow April 19 2005 1:42 PM EDT

::shrug:: sure, but it's a farm now.

(which is fine with me as far as strat knowledge is concerned. It won't inflate the score through fighting.

Undertow April 19 2005 1:44 PM EDT

and LOL as far as affoarding a CoBF is concerned. Although, man, I'd love to have 4 of them to spread out across my team.

I have an MCM, it's the first rare I just bought. Other than that, i have about 200k spread around a few chars, and a ToJ and the afore mentioned ToF. And a comp and a katana. blah. Some steel brigs... yah.

AdminQBGentlemanLoser [{END}] April 19 2005 2:11 PM EDT

;) LOL! I second that Manta!

How are you finding the two AS's? As DM will work equally versus both of them do you feel you're weaker to DM than if you only had 1?

Arorrr April 19 2005 2:52 PM EDT


You mean your ToF used to be #2 until I beat you to it like sometime last week?

Undertow April 19 2005 3:01 PM EDT

Yes Arorrr.

And of course I'm more vulnerable to DM. That's just a given fact. I wish I'd had the foresight to start off with less minions but early on 4 owns.

In reality this strat, in it's current form, would be better with 2 minions. And in fact, one of my other farms has started doing that. He's still only 12k score though. It'll be awhile. Grow my pretties. And your little tats too.
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